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Discussion: Visa may be required for U.S. citizens' travel to Europe

in: Orienteering; General

Mar 9, 2019 10:52 PM # 
JanetT:
Starting in 2021
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Mar 9, 2019 10:59 PM # 
AdventureGirl!:
This applies to Canadians as well!
Mar 9, 2019 11:37 PM # 
kadley:
Sorry about that collateral damage. How annoying!
Mar 10, 2019 1:44 AM # 
upnorthguy:
Per Washington Post, sounds more like an extra 'step' but not a visa per se.

"This week, news outlets including CNN, Esquire and Travel & Leisure initially called the process starting in 2021 a visa, but government authorities said it is not one. With ETIAS, travelers will need documentation, such as a passport, and will be asked to complete an application online and pay a $7 fee; in an expected 95 percent of cases, approval will be granted in minutes, the fact sheet said."
Mar 10, 2019 1:47 AM # 
JanetT:
Yup, WaPo and NYT mentioned the online application step where other outlets didn't. Seems simpler than applying for a visa and visiting an embassy.
Mar 10, 2019 4:03 AM # 
bmay:
Tit for tat. We already charge Europeans $7 for an Electronic Travel Authorization ...
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citi...
So, why wouldn't they do the same?
Mar 10, 2019 5:20 AM # 
yurets:
As the leader of the free world, America has an inalienable right to require an entry visa to be obtained by individuals from countries with unproven level of democracy.
Within the EU these are currently Bulgaria, Romania, and Poland, if I recall correctly
They have no right to respond in kind.
Mar 10, 2019 6:49 AM # 
gruver:
Yurets I'm going to miss your pithy comments on AP when you become president, and have to concentrate on those other social media.
Mar 10, 2019 7:09 AM # 
blairtrewin:
Some would suggest that allowing the official in charge of an election to be a candidate in that election is evidence of an "unproven level of democracy".

As noted above, the US and Canada already have an electronic travel authority system (as do some other countries). A minor nuisance but no great drama.

As for tit for tat, Brazil is a country which makes a diplomatic point of matching its visa conditions for citizens of country X exactly to what country X does to Brazilians. I almost wasn't allowed to board a flight from New York to Rio because the airline's system couldn't cope with the fact that Brazilian visas issued to Australians don't have an expiry date (they're good for the life of the passport, although for only a certain amount of time each visit).
Mar 10, 2019 11:46 AM # 
LOST_Richard:
Brazilian business visa's used (Late 90's early 00"s) to take a whole page in your passport and were one off and you had to go through the whole process again for a subsequent visit.
Mar 10, 2019 1:08 PM # 
andreais:
IMO it is a visa as long as the etias website calls it a visa, no matter the process. https://www.etiasvisa.com/etias-news/us-citizens-r....
Mar 10, 2019 2:21 PM # 
yurets:
@ Gruver,

As a president, I'd slap visa requirement on all the remnants of British Empire.
I suspect, being loyal to Queen, they still resent American Independence.
Mar 10, 2019 5:51 PM # 
Steffen:
Mar 10, 2019 5:56 PM # 
Steffen:
@andreais
Thats not an official ETIAS website. So far the only offical thing that I found is this fact sheet from the EC. It will be just a EU version of the US-ESTA.
Mar 10, 2019 7:10 PM # 
andreais:
@Steffen - I stand corrected - I should have checked the website better (interesting connections....)
On the official EU website they actually state ETIAS is not a visa, but a pre-travel screening for security and migration risks. Will be interesting how the UK will ultimately fit into the scheme...
Mar 10, 2019 11:06 PM # 
Arnold:
Keep your socks on. I’m sure you will still be very welcome on our lovely continent!
Mar 10, 2019 11:19 PM # 
robplow:
Doesn't matter what you call it: a visa or something else, if it is similar to US ESTA or ETA for Canada and Australia - it is hardly a burden. Around $7-20 (Australian ETA - is AUD20) and takes 5-10 min online.

This Australian website describes the ETA as a 'visa' :
https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/getting-a-vi.... It also claims the ''visa' is free - just a $20 dollar 'online application fee'.

The USA ESTA lasts for 18 months, Australian 12 months, so frequent travelers don't have to do it every time. Not sure of others.

Watch out for fake websites.

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