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| # Posted 2007-12-16 07:36:34 | |
| kupackman: | I think the best option on 5-6 was between the art building and the northern Quad building. But, of course, I missed my turn and ran south of the northern Quad building, which I think puts our two routes at about equal.
I got a little tripped up by #12, too. I knew exactly where it was, since I hung a control within a pie-throw of that spot last year. But... I was afraid of the green between the flag and the BG. I didn't remember it to be green, but I didn't want to take the chance, so I went north of the greenhouse. I never stopped, but it ended up being a less-than-ideal route choice. |
| # Posted 2007-12-16 23:56:28 | |
| ebone: | Yeah, I went North of the greenhouse AND stopped, so I guess I lost more than the 10-15 seconds I estimated from 11-12. I'll be interested to see the splits. |
| # Posted 2007-12-17 00:25:02 | |
| kupackman: | Gina went south of the greenhouse, and snuck through the green, so she saw my route and questioned what I was doing.
She also nailed the back-to-back building pass through from 8 to 9. I missed the first one (it was closed to construction last year), but caught the second one. (She remembered me talking last year about sneaky legs through buildings, so she used that memory to her advantage.) So that's two instances where Gina picked better routes than me, on a day where I thought my route-choosing was pretty decent. |
| # Posted 2007-12-17 00:54:24 | |
| ebone: | There are diminishing returns from increasingly clever micro-routes. It's interesting to observe where the optimal trade-off lies for different people. Glenn took a simple route from 9 to 10 along Stevens Circle (the main campus road) that looked too far around to me, whereas you and Gina are finding the little passageways between buildings. I didn't hit the Engineering building pass-through on 8-9 and went right, closer to the fountain. I wonder what the time difference is, probably on the order of 4 seconds. |
| # Posted 2007-12-17 01:18:10 | |
| Gimpy: | I remembered what eric said about micro choices before the start. so even if routes were a little longer I opted for simpler routes like 9-10. i also think that I didn't read the map very well on this one. sometimes my mind needs a rest and i just check out and run. It will be interesting to see the splits. 5-6 i went south of the quad. Between the quad building and the newer building ajacent to red square. i thought that given my tired legs I would avoid any extranious climb. If my legs weren't tired I would have opted for going between the quad buildings.
12 i just got lucky on. i didn't even consider the dark green. i guess that for me it was too narrow, the only really impassible dark green is blackberries, and there aren't many of those around and a 2 meter dark green that aren't blackberries just doesn't even register with me. i hestitated for a moment looking for a rock wall instead of a brick wall. when I think of rock wall i think of a old rock fence like in the forests back east. As for the passageways, i intended to use the one on 8-9 because I used one like it last year. however, I was looking at the map as i went past it and didn't use it. As I rounded the building I tried to estimate what it cost me and i think it wasn't much because there seemed to be grass then vegetation that obstructed a straight line run whereas going around the building was all pavement running. |
| # Posted 2007-12-17 02:44:08 | |
| kupackman: | Splitting hairs on 11-12!
Courtesy of gmap-pedometer... (I don't have the o-map at work) 254m: Gina's route (both pass-throughs) 257m: Eric's route? (yes 1st, no 2nd) 280m: Patrick's route (no 1st, yes 2nd) 290m: Eric's route? (no 1st, no 2nd) 333m: Glenn's route (via road) Just distances, of course, which doesn't mean too much. When I (over)-designed last year's Course 7, I actually test-ran each leg multiple times, using different routes for each. It was really interesting to see certain routes that looked ideal, that were actually 15% slower than less-obvious routes. It's too bad that I never got that RouteGadget up last year. That would have been fun. |
| # Posted 2007-12-18 00:02:21 | |
| roschi: | ok, who on earth is james roach??? he runs friggin faster than eric bone (he was 30 seconds ahead of eric in just the first 3 cps) and then bombs two to three to loose minutes... he got 8 out of 14 fastest splits.. and what frustrates me even more is that he did 12-13 in 213, where i ran all out and did it in 251.. gee! |
| # Posted 2007-12-18 10:01:16 | |
| ebone: | Yeah, James is a good runner and certainly in better shape than me right now. He's been around for a few years. He started some minutes before me, then I saw him out there 1+ minutes in front of me. The last time was coming out of the block of forest from #9, then we took different routes and he subsequently missed 13 and I didn't see him again. |
| # Posted 2007-12-18 10:33:18 | |
| kupackman: | I'm wondering what happened to him on #13. WinSplits says it was a 10 minute error. What's even more weird about it is that there was a control hung on that same shed last year, and he had the fastest split to it. Heck, 12-13 this year is the exact reverse of last year's 14-15 leg.
Maybe his e-punch fell off and he spent 10 minutes looking for it. I've lost a couple of minutes doing that before. From the results page, it looks like he used to be more active. He ran in all 7 events in the 2004-05 winter series, which is before my time with Cascade. |
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