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Discussion: 2020 World Rogaine Championship Qualification

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Jul 2, 2019 3:41 PM # 
GhostGirl:
I have been reading the rules to qualify for the 2020 Worlds and I have a question. They indicate that there are Two North American Rogaining Championships (The rule is under pre-qualifying 2.4). I am only aware of 1 which is the Nav-X, Dinkey Creek in Shaver Lake, CA in September. What or where is the second? What am I missing here?
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Jul 2, 2019 7:03 PM # 
JanetT:
Apparently, sometime in May 2020, also hosted by Nav-X.

Page 36 of Cal O Fest Bulletin 1 is where I found the info. If it's not on the Rogaine schedule it needs to be added.
Jul 2, 2019 7:25 PM # 
Pink Socks:
Apparently, sometime in May 2020, also hosted by Nav-X.

Date should be May 2-3, 2020, and as the bulletin notes, in the channeled scablands near Sprague, WA.

It's also being organized by Northwest Nav Races (of WA, owned by Eric Bone), not Nav-X (of CA).
Jul 2, 2019 10:59 PM # 
JanetT:
Ah, thanks for the correction, Pink Socks.
Jul 3, 2019 12:59 AM # 
HidingControls:
The Event in May 2020 can not be a qualifier for the World Champs in Tahoe. Prequalified events must be completed prior to entries opening, which off the top of my head is 9 months before the event. The Two North American champs used for PQE will be 2019 and 2016.

The Dinkey Creek Champs will be fantastic preparation for WRC2020.
Jul 3, 2019 9:59 AM # 
gordhun:
What would have to happen for there to be a North American qualifier event in 2019 east of, say, the Continental Divide?
Jul 3, 2019 10:28 AM # 
tRicky:
Someone would have to organise it.
Jul 3, 2019 12:20 PM # 
gordhun:
.......Besides finding an organizer......
Jul 3, 2019 2:07 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
qualifier in what sense? just the 24 hour checkbox? (Otherwise...you have to win? I think competing in the WRC is probably easier than figuring out how a lay person guarantees entry)

If checkbox, I'm hoping https://lostarrowsports.com/legend-of-the-dogman/ counts (hour west of Detroit). Oct 18

else maybe CYNO's rapidly approaching 24 http://cnyo.us.orienteering.org/2019/html/ROGAINE_... Jul 13

I'm hoping checkbox is good enough since the last US WRC didn't approach sell out. Fingers crossed!
Jul 3, 2019 3:09 PM # 
GhostGirl:
Legend of the dogman won't count. They stated it was 'too extreme to be sanctioned'. It was posted here on the events board. https://www.attackpoint.org/discussionthread.jsp/m...
I'm not sure if that would help or not to add to that check box of having completed a 24 hr. rogaine. I would imagine that the event would have to be sanctioned in order to use that as a qualifier.
Since it is difficult at best to even find a rogaine race, much less a 24 hour one, I wonder if they would consider allowing shorter rogaines to use as a qualifier? At least you could have more than 2 to choose from.
Jul 3, 2019 4:15 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
Dogman would have counted in 2014, which only stipulated 24 hr rogaine, not a sanctioned rogaine, to my reading (someone please correct me).

http://peakassurance.net/Entry_Preface.html

Please note that all non-PQE teams that nominate during the two-week Phase One entry period must have at least one member who has participated in a 24-Hour rogaine during the two years prior to the opening of entries. Non-PQE teams will be required to list the relevant team member and event. Only one event is required to be listed.


Ditto 2019:

https://www.wrc2019.cat/en/criteria/

At least one member of any team registering in this Non-Pre-Qualifying Entrant category must have competed in at least one 24-hour rogaine in the two years immediately preceding the opening of entries.


Exists, not necessarily sanctioned.

I only look at non pre qualifiers since the odds of me placing high enough to pre qualify are slim.
Jul 3, 2019 6:50 PM # 
Pink Socks:
Before we get too far into the qualifying weeds here, let me say that unless something has substantially changed since 2014, everyone who wants to participate should be able to particpate, no matter what events you've done before. (I say "should" based on the 2014 WRC, also in the USA).

I participated at WRC 2014, and before registration opened, my teammate and I hadn't done a 24-hour rogaine since 2010.

There were three phases of registration then (Phase One, Phase Two, and Phase Three). If you're pre-qualified (from top performances elsewhere) or if you've done a 24-hour rogaine in the previous two years, then you're able to register in earlier phases. If you don't meet those criteria, you just wait until the next phase opens, which is what my teammate and I did.

Looking at the results from 2014, there were 189 teams, which was at most 567 people, well short of the 1000-person limit.


I think competing in the WRC is probably easier than figuring out how a lay person guarantees entry

Yeah, I just tried reading a bunch of various pages (exhibits A, B, C, and D), and I basically decided that my own anecdote was more convincing.
Jul 3, 2019 7:23 PM # 
tRicky:
Good to see that ultra-veteran entrants are automatically pre-qualified just on the basis of being old based on the 2014 WRC PQE (though that seems to have been transferred to U23 for years later than 2015).
Jul 3, 2019 7:53 PM # 
HidingControls:
It is unlikely that anyone who wants to enter will miss out. The PQE are in place to guarantee entry to competitive teams should they choose to enter early. WRC2019, 2020 and 2022 all have entry limits around the 1000 mark. That isn't always the case and WRCs in Australia/New Zealand typically have lower limits.

In an ideal world WRCs would always be fully subscribed. It is better that a system is in place to manage the balance between competition and participation than not.
Jul 3, 2019 8:06 PM # 
tRicky:
I think the last WRC in Australia had a lower limit due to the environmental nature of the area.
Jul 3, 2019 10:21 PM # 
HidingControls:
Correct, same principal in New Zealand. In addition once there are large number of teams you lose the 'remoteness' aspect and can always navigate from others. Always a debate but general consensus is that 1000 +/- a few is about the maximum. Spain this month has approximately 850 entries last time I looked.
Jul 4, 2019 4:17 AM # 
jjcote:
To date, there has never been a WRC with as many as 500 teams. stats The number of registrants for an event in North America would likely be quite a bit lower than for one in Europe. So although it may be a pity that there aren't more events in these parts, I wouldn't worry about the qualifying issue in terms of being able to enter. It's very unlikely that anyone will be turned away.

On the other hand, it's not clear that automatically admitting ultra-veterans is a good thing. At the WRC in South Dakota, there was a team of three old people who really had no business being in the woods at all, and if memory serves, that resulted in a rescue and a medical airlift.
Jul 4, 2019 5:54 AM # 
tRicky:
Not sure if my sarcasm came through on that post. I was wondering just why ultra veterans would be pre-qualified given the nature of the event.
Jul 4, 2019 6:14 AM # 
HidingControls:
1000 Individuals not teams, and there is no reason to give special treatment to one event because it may not fill all the slots. The standards are applied to all WRCs and to date have not hindered those wanting to enter but hopefully one day the demand is there and places are in higher demand.

Vets - I got the sarcasm however are you suggesting that weaker fields with less depth should have less entries. In which case Open and Vet Men will be awarded more slots, women less.

The World Champs are contested in the various age and gender groups, beyond the open category all age bands are of equal merit and worthy of equal treatment in the allocation of qualifying slots.

I'd like to believe that 2020 is going to have in excess of 800 participants, that has to be good for the sport in North America. It will be helped by having the 1st bulletin already out and discussion started.
Jul 4, 2019 11:14 AM # 
jjcote:
I'd like to believe that, too. But I don't think it's likely. I'd be pleasantly surprised to see as many as 500 participants.

Realistically, there's no limit on slots for any category, at least not yet. If we hit the limit at some point, it will most likely happen in Europe. But even without a numerical limit, it's possible that there should be some minimal criteria for entry to make sure people are competent to be out there. Like having at least one team member who has completed an orienteering course within the last decade, and/or can walk without a cane. I'm not being sarcastic, we really have had teams that were a safety concern for the organizers. They can't get far from the start, but far enough to get themselves into trouble.
Jul 6, 2019 5:21 PM # 
Tundra/Desert:
The semi-official word from the org. committee is that there may not be a participant limit, although the organizers surely don't like helicopter rescues and insistently suggest that everyone who heads out on the course be adequately competent.

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