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Discussion: US National Park Service Orienteering sites

in: Orienteering; General

Aug 26, 2019 10:25 PM # 
SherlockHolmes:
After running in this weekends NEOOC meet at Cuyahoga Valley National Park I'm curious how many sites administered by the US National Park Service are used for orienteering. Those I can think of include:

Cuyahoga Valley National Park
Petrified Forest National Park
Kings Mountain National Military Park
Manassas National Battlefield Park
Prince William Forest Park
Catoctin Mountain Park
Golden Gate National Recreation Area
Great Falls Park (C&O Canal National Historical Park)

Any others?
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Aug 26, 2019 10:57 PM # 
edwarddes:
One of the Boston Sprint Camp days in 2017 was on Fiske Hill which is part of Minute Man National Park
Aug 26, 2019 11:32 PM # 
furlong47:
Greenbelt Park
Delaware Water Gap (several DVOA maps)
Hopewell Furnace National Historic Site is on some of the French Creek maps
Valley Forge has maps, but hasn't been used recently due to access issues
Aug 27, 2019 1:07 AM # 
mikeminium:
Florissant Fossil Beds National Monument (CO)
Mammoth Cave NP (KY)
I don't think that either has been used in several years, probably a couple decades for Mammoth Cave NP.
Aug 27, 2019 1:40 AM # 
BrianJohnston:
I did the permanent O course that Orienteering Louisville has at the Hoosier National Forest.
Aug 27, 2019 1:59 AM # 
o-maps:
I think there have been many O events that have been held in many national forests in the USA. But the original post specifically says National Park Service (which is in the Department of the Interior), who administer national parks, national monuments, national historic sites, etc. But NOT national forests, which are administered by a totally different branch of government, the Department of Agriculture. And I believe it has generally been much more difficult to get permission for NPS properties than USDA properties, which I suspect is the point of the original poster. Or did I misunderstand?
Aug 27, 2019 2:33 AM # 
edwarddes:
I think Forest Service land is relatively easy to get permission for. National Parks take a lot of bureaucratic process to make work.
When I talked to Minute Man they never said no to having us at the park, but they did want to make sure we didn't interfere with their main mission which was the victors there for the historic sites. We ended up in a lesser used area of the park from what we initially requested, but everyone was happy with the outcome and they seemed open to having us back.
I think we only paid a $50 permit application fee. They wanted to charge us an hourly fee to have a ranger on site, but our small scale, and good relations with the staff rangers ended up with having a ranger stop by at the start and end of the event to check on us and not feeling like he had to be there the entire event.

I would encourage clubs to not be scared of working with National Parks, but be willing to accept the limitations and fees that will be associated with using any high usage area.
Aug 27, 2019 2:37 AM # 
SherlockHolmes:
O-maps is correct. Just looking for the 420 NPS sites not BLM or Forest Service sites. Looks like my travel plans are filling rapidly.
Aug 27, 2019 3:16 AM # 
GuyO:
Some national non-parks are administered by NFS/USDA...
Newberry Volcanic NM (Deschutes NF), Bend, OR
Hells Canyon NRA (Wallowa-Whitman NF), OR/ID
Aug 27, 2019 1:28 PM # 
David_Waller:
BOK is about to be approved for a February 2020 event at Cape Lookout National Seashore.
Aug 27, 2019 1:53 PM # 
SherlockHolmes:
David_Waller that sounds very interesting. Will the event be on the islands where you need to take a ferry to get there? It's been many years since I've been to Cape Lookout but I remember it being long and narrow. Sprint event on the beach or regular event? May be worth the trip out from the Midwest.
Aug 27, 2019 7:01 PM # 
dofishman:
We have had several events at the Arch during one of the park services events.
Aug 27, 2019 7:43 PM # 
SherlockHolmes:
dofishman...I'm sorry to have missed those. Please let me know when you have another event at the Arch. I wonder if the NPS will still allow you to have events there now that they have changed it from a National Monument to a National Park.
Aug 28, 2019 1:04 AM # 
smittyo:
Terraloco has done a few rogaine events at Joshua Tree NP. They weren't allowed to put out control markers so used a different punching system.
Sep 5, 2019 4:35 AM # 
DWildfogel:
The Golden Gate National Recreation Area is managed by the NPS and, according to Wikipedia, "is the most visited unit of the National Park system in the United States". We have had orienteering events at several sites within GGNRA, e.g., The Presidio of San Francisco, Sutro Heights, Lands End, Fort Mason. This year's Sprint San Francisco, Dec 7 & 8, will likely use a couple of the aforementioned places. Next year's Cal O-Fest 2020 will have one day at The Presidio.
Sep 5, 2019 7:38 PM # 
yurets:
Incidentally, Kings Mountain National Military Park is the venue for the upcoming Bubba Goat, the most sacred event in the Deep South

https://carolina-ok.org/event/2019-bubba-goat-orie...

PS: I've heard they would be using a lidar-based map. Just wow.

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