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Discussion: Metro Series splits

in: SandgrOpers

Nov 11, 2019 12:07 PM # 
I've been trying to put together some split times web pages that are a bit more suited to metro series. You can give them a try here

I don't have much of a clue about web development so suggestions about how to do it better would be welcome. I'll probably keep trying to improve them a bit.

Click on the buttons above the results tables to hide/show splits.
Click on control either in the results table or the controls table at the bottom to see more details about a control.

The control page shows leg times for all incoming legs on the left, then times at the control in the middle and outgoing leg times on the right.
Click on the incoming or outgoing tables to move on to that control.
Nov 12, 2019 5:02 AM # 
Nice work Craig

WARA has done some interesting map display of results which could be something to copy. Not sure but Andre probably is the author
Nov 12, 2019 5:17 AM # 
That's straight line though, which I don't expect will work all that well with a Metro event given it's orienteering with route choice and inability to go through residential properties.
Nov 12, 2019 8:14 AM # 
I was thinking of trying to do something like that eventually but I know almost nothing about web programming so every little thing takes me ages. Maybe next year.
Nov 12, 2019 8:27 AM # 
Looks as though G Massam is the author of the rogaine map display.
Nov 12, 2019 9:40 AM # 
That might be a problem then. I doubt he'd want anything to do with orienteering, let alone rogaining at this point.
Nov 12, 2019 10:28 AM # 
I don't have much of a clue about web development so suggestions about how to do it better would be welcome.

*looks at Craig's code*
*looks at Gerard's code*

Yeah, you're not doing so bad. :)
Nov 14, 2019 1:31 AM # 
I am sure there is a few thing that can do this between, TBT, suburbrun, routegadget... sure we could get something there.
Nov 14, 2019 4:19 AM # 
I have installed routegadget on the server but haven't done anything with it. I was thinking I might be able to push all of the straight line route choices based on the splits into it somehow but haven't had time to investigate. Not sure I can be bothered anyway.
Nov 14, 2019 11:14 AM # 
i don't have the time to work out how - but I would imagine there are only a few possible routes between controls and if you take the shortest one by default you could automatically draw it up and then allow users to select if they took an alternate. but the coding to get to that is juffy level rather than bryce level.
Nov 14, 2019 9:49 PM # 
The major technical problem with auto-routing between controls is how to do it for controls that aren't on a road/path. eg. There was one control on Saturday (26?) on a light pole on an oval. The human problem, of course, is having to put in the control locations.
Nov 15, 2019 1:52 AM # 
I don't even have the maps.
Nov 15, 2019 7:10 AM # 
If it was all on roads it wouldn’t be a juffy level problem. I never said it was going to be easy for you :)
Nov 16, 2019 4:04 AM # 
The Tassie Rogainers for the ARC have done something similar to WARA with some added stats
Nov 16, 2019 4:34 AM # 
about time some put some stats to rogaine results and showed comparisons - that looks great.
Nov 16, 2019 3:23 PM # 
Very interesting to see all the splits data. Thanks Craig.

I uploaded today's splits into QGIS to visualise everyone's route. Works nicely on my laptop, but is very slow to load on the cloud. Not sure if that can be improved somehow.

Anyway, if you don't mind to wait, here's the link: Click "Map & Tools" in the top right, then "Layers & Legend" to see everyone's routes.
Nov 16, 2019 9:56 PM # 
A feature suggestion, Craig - on the page for an individual control, eg.

Can you add a column to the Control Splits table with how many controls each person has by that point? It would add a lot of context.
Nov 16, 2019 10:56 PM # 
Good suggestion. Will try to find time to do it but I should probably try to finish setting next week's event first.
Nov 20, 2019 1:47 PM # 
I had a bit of a go at loading the splits into routegadget for the Churchlands event.

Click on the results tab and you should be able to look at everyone's routes. I uploaded my gps trace but everyone else is just straight line routes.
Nov 20, 2019 1:53 PM # 
I probably should have used olive green for those "out of bounds" garden beds. Light green was a bit silly.
Nov 20, 2019 11:16 PM # 
For looking at the routes I think it works best to check the box next to the course name to show all the controls. Then check the right hand column for all the people you are interested in, enable full tails and then hit play or use the slider to move through the course in the control at the bottom right.
Also kind of interesting to select everyone and watch all the dots heading out of the start.
Nov 21, 2019 7:09 AM # 
Nice. I've uploaded my GPS trace. It seems to have changed "Long" into "1" under "Results", but that's not a big deal.

Craig, how long would it take you to set this up for a single event, now that you've got the process worked out?
Nov 21, 2019 8:32 AM # 
I would guess around 10 minutes if all went smoothly but that is probably being overly optimistic.
Nov 21, 2019 8:50 AM # 
If you send me your map I could try to get Manning Park done as well.
Nov 21, 2019 9:41 AM # 
That's always been where the process falls down, trying to get maps out of people.
Nov 21, 2019 12:54 PM # 
Thanks Craig, I sent you the map.
Nov 21, 2019 1:44 PM # 
It is not all going smoothly.
Nov 21, 2019 2:24 PM # 
I've put something up but there are a few problems with it. The georeferencing is wrong and the start times are out so they don't sync with the gps trace.
Nov 22, 2019 2:40 AM # 
I tried to fix the start time in MEOS during the race, but received a warning that changing the time wasn't recommended while the race was ongoing. After the race I didn't get to do it, because I was collecting controls. Still, very nice to see all the dots moving along sometimes bizarre routes.
Nov 23, 2019 1:31 PM # 
Routegadget for Trigg is up now. I think this one should work ok with GPS but I don't have anything to test with. I did also make Juffy's suggested change to the splits tables.
Nov 23, 2019 1:45 PM # 
Yes, works fine with GPS. Thanks Craig.
Nov 23, 2019 10:58 PM # 
Would be good on control pages if you could filter data by course to on see long /medium/short but that’s getting picky - it looks really good Craig well done
Nov 24, 2019 1:04 AM # 
I was thinking that too, but I thought I'd used up my quota of unsolicited feature requests. (From previous experience, I know that Bryce doesn't understand this concept :p )

If you're feeling adventurous, having it highlight a person's previous and next controls when you mouse over their name in the middle list would be awesome.
Nov 24, 2019 3:19 AM # 
Speaking of bizarre routes, according to the data file Ceri's first control yesterday was #11. She would have had to go within metres of #1 on the way there but she collected that last, after 4 & 5, meaning running past the finish to go back out and get it!
Nov 24, 2019 4:30 AM # 
I'm not sure what happened with Ceri but I think number 1 didn't register for her and it was manually added to the end of her list of punches without a time. I'm fairly sure she did go there first.
Nov 24, 2019 4:39 AM # 
Oh I understand it well Juffy just ignore it with you :) and yeah was going to suggest the to and from highlight but 2 thing at a time ;)
Nov 24, 2019 5:17 AM # 
The highlighting thing was already on my list of things to do if I can be bothered. Much more likely to bother if someone asks for it though.
Nov 24, 2019 8:00 AM # 
I thought that might be the case but wasn't sure how strict we were with non-registering controls at our Super Serious Summer Series.
Nov 30, 2019 3:36 PM # 
Routegadget is up for Leeming. We got home late and routegadget was doing some strange things with the courses, like inverting the y axis or just randomly shifting all the controls after they looked ok when I created the event.

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