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Discussion: Yellow

in: Charlie; Charlie > 2020-01-19

Jan 21, 2020 6:36 PM # 
PG has posted the map of the hardest White course ever (from... Tennessee?), and upon request also posted the corresponding Yellow from that meet. I wonder if this outdoes it. Most of the course seems... okay? I guess, but #6 to #7 looks completely outrageous. I have to imagine that it's not quite so bad on the ground, but still... (Or maybe it's worse.)
Jan 21, 2020 6:48 PM # 
5-6 on the ground was streamered, but Rhonda said it was really awful, despite appearing on the map to only be about 50M away. She didn't find 9, which was apparently very securely hidden behind a rock in an alcove. If you can picture it, Donna and Ed Gookin and Nancy Lindeman were all perched up at 5 looking down and deciding to work there way back out of there and go directly to the finish.
Jan 21, 2020 6:59 PM # 
Seems like a slight adjustment in the course could have made it much better -- do the controls in the following order: 1, 2, 3, 4, 3, 2, 1, finish. Throws in a bit of route choice at the very end that isn't of the variety "Which way do I go so I don't die?"
Jan 21, 2020 7:20 PM # 
The other thing that was strange about the courses was that the start triangle was remote. Go out to a flag, no punch there, and for brown, just turn pretty much straight back. No speech at the start about it being mandatory although I did go to it, so why not put a punch at it?
Jan 21, 2020 10:49 PM # 
At the next A-meet in Massachusetts, I think you can count on there being a punch there. (You'll get your map where the triangle is, and the first place you go will have a punch.)
Jan 22, 2020 12:41 AM # 
I confess to being the course consultant for this. I was very concerned about the course lengths...not sure if I ever saw the yellow course. Was assured that all courses had lengths based on past results. I should have checked that myself.
Jan 22, 2020 1:21 AM # 
How exactly does a course consultant not ever see a course?
Jan 22, 2020 1:35 AM # 
Same question. Also, it doesn’t seem like the length is the primary concern here.
Jan 22, 2020 2:38 PM # 
What Boris and Cristina said.
Jan 22, 2020 2:52 PM # 
Yeah, length was not the issue. Rather extreme physicality and the danger of getting hurt in a remote area with limited accessibility. I did some map in my teeth climbing that put a little fear into me, and the descents were scarier. Probably barely noticeable to someone in his 20s or 30s. Just another race for the young guys.

I love Anza, and the first day was a blast, as were courses in other years, but I'd want to know more about what they had in mind for the courses before I signed up again.
Jan 22, 2020 6:59 PM # 
This makes me think we're really going to have to amp up our Yellows this coming September.
Jan 25, 2020 3:01 PM # 
Charlie, just looking at this now but wanted to say that I agree with you on the physicality of the courses. With the steepness of the terrain and looseness of the footing, I was scared in a bunch of places. Nice part of the world to visit in mid-winter, though!
Jan 26, 2020 11:04 PM # 
Re the yellow course, a “what were they (designers) thinking scenario”. Questions, but answers not sought after looking at this course (w/o more map if it was available) and thinking of a designer's defense.

With finish to left, how to get to start triangle w/o maybe walking by #1, which is certainly an easy enough point. Knowing to go N from start triangle but so open and others doing same. Then finding the indistinct path junction - but at a prominent bend. Marked with a streamer? So open, was it easy to see? #2 seems easy enough - rock face by path is what seems to show on the sort of blurry map. #3 similar, follow the path to rock face - flag hidden or not?

#4 follow the path to the next high point, maybe a dot knoll just beyond it. #5 stay on the ridge, going WNW - see the flag from #4?

#6 streamers, can’t tell how dicey/risky the terrain though likely and Charlie's account confirms it.

#7 - work one’s way generally west to drainage thru very inappropriate/difficult terrain for yellow, turn right, find flag at green spot - bush of some kind?

#8, walk up drainage counting cliffs both sides, til “headland” cliff on left and look for flag in alcove on right.

#9, west to path, by same “headland”, after bend and before mapped prominent “bush” (?), look between rock faces. #10 should be straightforward.

Any such defense for this course? Maybe this exercise is a waste of time? Was there anywhere appropriate for W/Y?

Was there 15+ years ago. It was fun enough then, such unique terrain.

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