Next time you meet them, show them this @ around 7 minuteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3jmNcKBbOs&fe...
I just might. Its actually a very well put together video.
In the discussions with the Forestry we have little in our hand, they show no interest or understanding of our sport. I don't think they are malevolent, they just don't care one way or the other. They have set up a permissions process which would be an ideal case study for a process improvement workshop and they are determined to make it work