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in: Tane; Tane > 2020-04-13

Apr 13, 2020 9:54 AM # 
This sounds all very technical. Where is the test from? And what are the numbers supposed to mean?
Apr 13, 2020 9:59 AM # 
From a website I stumbled across, saying heaps of ultra runners etc are overtraining, which i tend to agree with (you can stop reading here Tim :))

Numbers are Heart Rate, after 60s of stepping, then sitting down and HR at 30s and then 60s later.

Apparently good numbers should be 110, 85, 65. But I imagine that is rather arbitrary and needs calibrated to your own HR range
Apr 13, 2020 10:02 AM # 
Apr 13, 2020 8:04 PM # 
Who do you feel is overtraining and why? Is it doing too many hours training or training at too high an intensity or something else?
Apr 13, 2020 9:52 PM # 
Maybe myself? Not at the moment, but Ive been aware of the possibility for some time (maybe the past 4-5 years) why? because of the many reasons in the link above!

I reserve judgement on anyone else in a public space... but there's several people I can think of that must be borderline overtraining
Apr 14, 2020 4:20 AM # 
Boo! I thought Attackpoint was all about judgement.

Have you read either of the books? They are both at the library. They advocate a lot of lower intensity base/endurance training as well as strength training.
Apr 14, 2020 4:33 AM # 
No, obviously you have? maybe I should...
Apr 14, 2020 5:57 AM # 
you should pay greig to be your coach
Apr 14, 2020 6:24 AM # 
I'd do a better job than your last coach, he didn't even get you to the start line. :-D

Yes I've read both. Uphill Athlete would be better for you unless you plan on getting back into climbing mountains. I found both of them good. Healthy Intelligent Training is another book I found good, basically Lydiard training but a good read. Also at the library.

All advocate lots of aerobic training and not much high intensity stuff. Also not too much in zone 3 where it's aerobic but hard where you can stay for an hour or so.

What do you think was causing your problems? Too much or too hard?
Apr 14, 2020 6:25 AM # 
Too much, and for a while there too much too hard.

Interestingly enough I think I've actually got fitter since being in lockdown and not training as much
Apr 14, 2020 6:38 AM # 
Yeah lockdown is getting me fitter as well. Currently at day 22 of run streak which is closing in on my 28 day PB. Next task is to push the ks gently to 60, 70, 80 so that it's sustainable on the long run. I'm always able to smash a 1 month block and dish out the hurt, aye Timmy :D.

Ollie has indicated that he wants to run the Kepler this year which is pretty cool and will keep me interested in staying fit. Young fella first went to Te Anau in December when he'd just turned 2, we've got a cool photo of the stroppy little bastard just having done the kids race across the control gates. I'd be surprised if his debut isn't better than Greig, or even better than the Hamilton household overall.
Apr 16, 2020 9:31 AM # 
From Uphill Athlete:
Volume for 50k race
Regular weeks 40k, peak week 80-88km, ave 12 biggest weeks 50km
Volume for 100k race
Regular weeks 50k, peak week 120-130km, ave 16 biggest weeks 75km
Volume for 100m race
Regular weeks 100k, peak week 145-160km, ave 18 biggest weeks 100km

So although they talk about overtraining they also recommend reasonably sizable training weeks. They advocate most of this at their zone 1 and zone 2 level.

The healthy intelligent training book recommends similar to the 100m race volume.

Training for ultra running is another book with a collection of articles from various successful (mainly British) runners. Most seem to do 100-120 mile weeks. There were a few around 100km a week but they often had a lot of short racing during the year.

Kepler is short enough to be able to get away with less training but a long rogaine is potentially closer to the 100k/100m race. But then training for an adventure race is different again. Nathan advocates his 30hr weeks I think, didn't fully read his most recent propaganda article.

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