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Discussion: Lockdown rules

in: philm64; philm64 > 2020-05-03

May 4, 2020 12:23 PM # 
Chas:
I assume this post was intended to start debate.

Whilst I agree that the risk to you personally of ignoring the law may be very low, the idea is that we all abide by the rules for the collective good.

6 weeks in, we're all frustrated but the reason there aren't far more deaths is that the bulk of the population have stuck to the rules. Let's hope there is some relaxation next week...
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May 4, 2020 12:27 PM # 
Scrappy Doo:
As above
May 4, 2020 8:16 PM # 
Scrappy Doo:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/04/lake...
May 4, 2020 9:51 PM # 
Mark3:
I'm looking forward to see the comparison with Sweden after 12 months to see if they were right to not impose a lockdown - ie they get more deaths at the beginning, rather than spread it like ours, but not much difference overall. We shall see.

I think the government are playing on the general lack of understanding in the population as a whole about risk. It will be interesting when they want to restart the economy to see them changing tack from 'stay at home to protect everyone, it's really serious' to 'go out, it's fine now' when nothing has actually changed
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May 5, 2020 5:43 PM # 
philm64:
Well, i can see Mark3's POV, tho it's not a strictly fair comparison: Sweden has healther, generally better-off population; and outside the main cities they are more sparsely populated - one of the reasons for their decision maybe ? also, as a swedish friend (Stan in fact) said to me, they don't really do hugs, PDA's etc.

Second, I am not a "binary " person ("this is GOOD, this is BAD"). (*). In my post i said i was happy to have done the lockdown , and 6 weeks is nothing if it's working & working down here it seems to be. But i know of several people over here (all female) (not lincluding Liz) who are furious at the state of affairs . One said how dare she be told how to live. I'm very moderate in my approach.

I wash my hands, i dont' mingle, I stay within the same very very small "social" groups & we've all agreed to inform each other if anyone starts to feel ill (all of us have never felt better)

Has anyone else noticed that the IoW "App" says it will only inform you of people you've been 2m apart FOR THREE MINUTES? Given its' supposed to be an early warning of people who've since developed symptoms, to isolate from people they've been in contact for for THREE WHOLE MINUTES, all this ducking around people & walking / running into the road to maintain this "critical" 2m distance seems again like overkill.

I also find broad brush stuff like "no sport comps anywhere" "lockdown everywhere" rather stupid & heavy handed when some sports (orienteering; outdoor climbing) are clearly vastly less risky in terms of x-contamination than others (eg. rugby; mass participation road races).

(*) I believe the decision to hold Cheltenham races was wrong. At the time, I thought it was good that the Bath Half went ahead, tho i now think that was wrong too. But - here we go - the SW BBC news team did a feature & detailed analysis on the "doubling" of the serious COVID cases around Chelt'm compared to Bristol. I watched intently, curious..... until I saw the actual stats: 0.1% (Bristol) & 0.2% (Cheltenham). Oh. Right:

If the numbers were 2, or 4, or 6% etc, then fine - it's serious. But we're looking at numbers barely above the normal deaths for the season anyway. And again - why was there no lockdown in 1968? A million died?

Let's all meet in the middle in an O car park again soon. I hope! (OO Cup is NOT yet cancelled.....) https://www.oocup.com/news/
May 5, 2020 5:57 PM # 
philm64:
PS. and is the economic damage *really* justifiable? Not asking for me, as I'm financially fine (as you probably know). I'm asking for millions of others - some of whom are seeing their life's work & passion die a total death. Is it justified? Or is the lockdown too much?
May 5, 2020 6:03 PM # 
philm64:
PPS. Ok my Lloyds shares are horribly low in value. #1stWorlder
May 6, 2020 8:05 AM # 
Chas:
The bottom line is that it doesn't matter what anyone of us think ourselves, the rules apply to everyone as Neil Fergurson has found out:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52553229
May 6, 2020 1:54 PM # 
philm64:
No one’s answering my questions then.

It’s also clear that (some) politicians (& some authorities) are trying to blame the public , when it was *their* inaction that got the whole crisis started in the uk due to their own inaction. Yet WE get told we’re not staying at home/protecting the nhs/ saving lives when we walk to a deserted wood. Not in my name.

Incredulous post of the day: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52558759

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