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Discussion: I thought of starting a club for similar minded people

in: PrueD; PrueD > 2020-08-19

Aug 19, 2020 6:54 AM # 
TheInvisibleLog:
but you know, I couldn't be bothered.
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Aug 19, 2020 7:15 AM # 
PrueD:
Haha - but unfortunately it is like that.
I am a gypsy at heart, and haven't stayed in the one place for more than a couple of weeks in the past 30 years.
Aug 19, 2020 7:18 AM # 
TheInvisibleLog:
No, you are a traveller at heart. Two different things.
I am finding the monotony getting to me, and its only two weeks. Can't imagine what its like in level 4 in Melbourne, some parts clocking up 7 weeks or so already and maybe as many to go.
Aug 19, 2020 9:03 AM # 
tinytoes:
May I apply for Associate Membership please?
Aug 19, 2020 11:57 AM # 
jennycas:
I thought we weren't allowed to mention gypsies any more: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-17/german-food...
Aug 19, 2020 12:02 PM # 
PrueD:
Oh yes, l forgot. I hadn't realised it was an offensive term until then.
Aug 19, 2020 12:28 PM # 
jennycas:
Neither had I...it's so hard to get everything right, all the time. But I think I'm doing ok with auntieing - Geoff did say that last week he kept on having to remember not to say anything unsuitable for children's tender ears :)
Aug 19, 2020 11:27 PM # 
TheInvisibleLog:
That was sort of my point. Romani is probably a more acceptable phrase. That word on the bottle is interesting. In Romania the word Tsigani, is used as a self-descriptor (as in the song Trec Tsigani trec), but may be unacceptable coming from outside the culture, much like the use of the "N" word by black rap musicians. But the image of the travelling Romani is probably inaccurate anyway. Most are settled. In the UK the "gypsy" is also a traveller, and its dubious many of these are actually Romani. So, in the interests of ambiguity, here is what looks an at least a partially Romani ensemble singing the song Trec Tsigani Trec. Sung in Romanian by what might be a Russian ensemble. Which maybe only demonstrates that a professional lautaurii ensemble will play for the audience what they think the audience thinks is "gypsy music".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijlikEJYooA

In case you haven't guessed, I am 120 pages into writing a book about this style of music.
Aug 20, 2020 12:05 AM # 
PrueD:
Wow - where do you find the time and energy? Contract work, mapping, book writing, house renos and training (and that is probably only part of it). I won't ask if the spouse is cracking the whip.
Aug 20, 2020 12:07 AM # 
jennycas:
Zigeuner is the German word for 'gypsy'. My experience of the Roma people is primarily as the resident beggars outside Swedish supermarkets.
Aug 20, 2020 12:14 AM # 
PrueD:
Invis, l forgot to add music. LOVE that style of music. However, the images of Roma life, especially in the winter, are confronting.
Aug 20, 2020 12:55 AM # 
TheInvisibleLog:
I can't keep up with spouse.
I fear lots of Roma life is confronting. And we have this cultural tendency to idolise it from a distance. One of my most amusing experiences is at a music camp where a mostly female choir had learnt to perform the Macedonian-Rom song Usti-usti Baba. I think they would be horrified to think they were singing of a woman urging her father to hurry up and pay the dowry. Great song if you can ignore the words. Also the dance hall Balkan Beats hit with lyrics about beating your wife. I doubt it would have been a hit in English.

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