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Discussion: UsynligO or MapRunF: Is there an operational difference?

in: Orienteering; General

Sep 1, 2020 9:05 PM # 
gordhun:
There seems to be growing good reason to become familiar with setting orienteering courses that can be run and scored with one of these two smart phone apps. But which one?
Do they operate the same way and give the same results?
Is there a book- excuse me app - that explains the two and the differences?
Please feel free to share what you like / don't like about either of these.
For those in the dark here's what I do know.
The former was developed in Norway the later in Australia with some Canadian help (or is it the other way around?)
Both allow the course setter to set up courses on geo-referenced maps without the tough part of setting out controls. The app will beep when the participant gets in the vicinity of the control site. The map is a paper map but the points are loaded into the app.
The apps develop result lists similar to any orienteering timing program.
MapRunF allows the upload of tracks from gps watches after the fact. Does UsynligO?
What would you add?
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Sep 1, 2020 9:35 PM # 
emmaS:
I personally find the UsynligO app easier to use (find courses, change settings, etc ), and the the formats that you upload the course in are simpler to generate for UsynligO. With UsynligO, you can add multiple courses at once and don't need an administrator to upload courses. I also like the noise UsynligO makes better and had fewer issues with it not registering a control. The in-app map for UsinligO is static but zoomable whereas in MapRunF control circles are a separate layer that change when you zoom in and sometimes obscures map detail. UsinligO also can be nice for beginners because if you are lost you can tell it to give you distance and direction to the control. It is easier to start the course in UsynligO because you manually press start and it gives the race start sound effect whereas MapRunF starts automatically when it thinks it's at the start location.
I find the main advantages of MapRunF are that A) you can limit access to your courses by creating locked courses that can only be used with a PIN which is not an option with UsynligO and B) if MapRunF doesn't register a control but you were there you can manually edit at the end.
Sep 1, 2020 11:12 PM # 
TheInvisibleLog:
The main issue with both options would be the ability to register a control under canopy. This can become very frustrating, wandering around in a tight circle or standing still waiting. Thats an issue about satellites and receivers, not the software, so I would go with the one that allows post event editing.
Sep 1, 2020 11:19 PM # 
Anvil:
The A) and B) emmaS mentions is why we've been using MapRunF
Everything we do needs a waiver completed beforehand, so no one gets a pin code until the waiver is completed.
For our forest runs, we're still putting flags or ribbons at the control locations. The guideline is, if you get close enough to the flag to touch it and the App hasn't registered, just keep going - you'll be able to add it back after you finish.
Sep 2, 2020 4:56 AM # 
ledusledus:
I am having trouble (crash) with current version of UsynligO at situations when cell phone coverage is barely existing on iphone. I have reported it and look forward to fix. I have not tried MapRunF.
Sep 2, 2020 7:01 PM # 
fne:
My understanding is the UsynligO is aimed at personal training, with no results published, whereas MapRun does that, but also allows Clubs to run normal “competitive” events with published results (and tracks).

MapRun (the latest version for phones is MapRunF and the version for Garmin watches is MapRunG) allows:
- QuickStart - set a quick personal event by dropping pins just using your phone
- CheckSites - create an event using map and course files, that allows testing, experimenting with all the different settings, but also allowing the confidential 6-digit code to be shared for an informal shared event
- Published Events - this is the largest use of MapRun, where clubs setup their routine events (or permanent courses) in MapRun. Settings are locked down so everyone competes to the same rules and results are published. Organisers have wide range of options for Score, Line, Scatter courses, with or without a PIN to lock them. Live tracking is also possible (although this is currently in beta testing)

MapRun has some extra features, like creating a geo-referenced Map (in KMZ format) from an image on your phone, and features to allow Organisers to manage results. Users can also review and submit revised results (eg if a control didn't register).

With either UsynligO and MapRun, you’d normally run with a printed Map - but it’s also possible to run just just using the map on the phone and of course with no markers in the field, runners can run at a time that suits them.

Both systems are continuing to be developed… so more features will probably appear over time.
Sep 3, 2020 3:29 AM # 
grilla:
I really likeMapRunG as it means I don't need to lug my phone around for a run. Also recently I used it when putting out controls for a small event. An unexpected bonus was that it proved to be a useful code check as my watch displayed the control number as I was hanging the flag. This was reassuring for a small scale event with no-one else checking.
Sep 3, 2020 4:49 AM # 
tRicky:
If only my Garmin was Bluetooth capable.
Sep 3, 2020 10:47 PM # 
TheInvisibleLog:
Nothing that a credit card can't solve.
Sep 3, 2020 11:42 PM # 
Cristina:
My credit card doesn’t fit on my wrist.
Sep 4, 2020 1:49 AM # 
tRicky:
I don't have a credit card. Also not really worth buying yet another GPS for a program that's barely used in WA.
Sep 4, 2020 6:58 AM # 
TheInvisibleLog:
You can be the pioneer.
Sep 4, 2020 7:18 AM # 
simmo:
Not used by many people yet, but there are quite a few courses and more are scheduled.
Sep 4, 2020 9:01 AM # 
Acampbell:
Loved MapRunG! STAG in Glasgow has now started a club league with MapRun and really enjoying it. Easy to use, uploads your track to the app so can go looks at others routes as well as just the result.
MapRunG also felt very much like siair which was just nice.
MapRun also for beginners allows you to have your GPS dot on the map as well.
Just glad we can do some “training activities with others” in a way.

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