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in: Craig; Craig > 2020-09-20

Sep 21, 2020 9:39 AM # 
Bruce:
Congratulations on another state title!
I don't think I've been to the Avon Valley maps since 1988. Has it changed much?
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Sep 21, 2020 10:32 AM # 
LOST_Richard:
I thought that the map stood up well after 32 years!

Must have been the superior mapping team at the time :-)

Tony Simpkins, Heather Bowler, John Bowler, Dave Pass and LOST_Richard Converted to OCAD by Peter Komyshan 2004

4 of the six competed yesterday which shows a life time of orienteering
Sep 21, 2020 10:58 AM # 
tRicky:
On TBT it looks like the three of us went completely different routes from 6-7. I appear to have gone the straightest, which is unusual.

Bruce, some of the green seems to have disappeared and appeared elsewhere on the map. Otherwise it's pretty decent. I'm not sure that I've run there since ~2001 when I was doing 'rogaine training' although I definitely recall doing rogaines there during that time (one even with LOST_Richard).
Sep 21, 2020 12:16 PM # 
Tooms:
Fletch's navigational ability seemed similar to back in 1988.
Sep 21, 2020 12:22 PM # 
simmo:
Actually that part of the map was all John Bowler, field-checked by me. Heather, Richard, Dave and I field-worked the relay map which was South and West of the road at the bottom SW of yesterday's map.

To answer Bruce's question, it hasn't changed a lot, some bits are thicker, some bits more runnable, but the earthworks near the finish are a little less distinct.
Sep 21, 2020 12:24 PM # 
simmo:
Not sure why Craig has entered H3 at Dryandra when we've laid on a cracker of an H1 course. And a great H2 as well.
Sep 21, 2020 12:33 PM # 
simmo:
tRicky your route 6-7 has the most climb, probably not good for the condition that you say your legs are in. Hadrien's is all track, with some climb but less steep. Craig's route was much shorter than Hadrien's, and less climb than yours.
Sep 21, 2020 12:43 PM # 
tRicky:
H1 is 10km at Dryandra, probably why he doesn't want to run it after already running the previous two days.
Sep 21, 2020 12:55 PM # 
tRicky:
tRicky your route 6-7 has the most climb

It also had the attackpoint that I knew would get me to the control, given how badly I'd been navigating some of the previous legs.
Sep 21, 2020 1:12 PM # 
Craig:
Rachel asked me what I wanted to do at Dryandra and read out the course lengths to me. H3 sounded the most appealing at the time, and still does.

I was undecided between my route and Hadrien's on 6-7. I thought the track would be more climb and the straighter route played to my strengths better so went with that. There wasn't as much extra climb as I thought on the track and I still wonder if it would have been faster for me. AP says I lost time on that leg despite having the fastest split.

I don't really remember exactly what it was like in 88. I know it got thick and prickly enough after being burnt that I stopped going there. It is definitely back to being a lot more like it was in 88 now but I think is still a bit thicker overall. Definitely a few areas mapped as white that should be green.
Sep 21, 2020 1:31 PM # 
LOST_Richard:
Thought about banditing H1 at Dryandra when I heard Craig had decedid not to run it, but checked the field and opted for a more sensible option
Sep 21, 2020 1:45 PM # 
LOST_Richard:
Looks like H3 at Dryandra is a Dufty / West race with Liam, Michael, Patrick, Rachel, Rob and Craig going for line honours
Sep 21, 2020 1:50 PM # 
simmo:
Previous 2 days tricky is just a sprint and a MD, so H1 at Dryandra is just like Day 2 of Easter, but with the knowledge that there's no day 3. Knowing Craig though, he will probably go for an hour-long run in Kings Park on the Tuesday.
Sep 21, 2020 1:51 PM # 
tRicky:
Richard given Hadrien and my effort's yesterday, you could quite likely get 2nd place behind Tooms.
Sep 21, 2020 1:52 PM # 
tRicky:
so H1 at Dryandra is just like Day 2 of Easter

Except without the prestige of Easter.
Sep 21, 2020 1:52 PM # 
simmo:
If I were Richard I'd change to H4.
Sep 21, 2020 1:53 PM # 
tRicky:
H4 he's still dealing with a Dufty and a West (also a Kate Braid). Duftys and Wests have most of the categories covered other than H1 (Phil has gone soft) and the E courses.
Sep 21, 2020 2:08 PM # 
Craig:
Long day of M21E at Easter has much more appeal than the H1 at Dryandra.
Saturday is looking more like a middle than a sprint judging by the course lengths so why not make it 3 days of middle distance.
Sep 21, 2020 2:12 PM # 
LOST_Richard:
@simmo - what course are you doing - don't see your name on the entries?
Sep 21, 2020 10:31 PM # 
tRicky:
Yes given the 'sprint' length course is longer than last year's M21E course at the same venue, I'm predicting 20+min winning time.
Sep 22, 2020 12:56 AM # 
simmo:
I'm doing the all controls option on Sunday afternoon.

H1 has a map flip and two butterflies, H2 also has a butterfly.
Sep 22, 2020 1:35 AM # 
tRicky:
I'm looking forward to Dryandra. I almost beat Tooms there last time (I got him by 18sec on day 1 but he got me by 25sec on day 2). I'm much fasterer and navigationally worserer these days so they even out. Tooms on the other hand is just Olderer.
Sep 22, 2020 5:39 AM # 
tRicky:
So across three state champs events we've had one entrant in M35 in each but it's always been a different person (Adam, Fletch, Michael). Interestingly there are three Duftys entered on course 1 but in three different age groups!

Almost as interesting is the fact the VE course at the MDC is 2.4km compared to VE at the long, which was 2.1km.
Sep 22, 2020 1:18 PM # 
Tooms:
I enjoy running at Dryandra as the forest is pretty and the terrain is not steep - so the longer the better, within reason.
Sep 22, 2020 1:29 PM # 
Rachel:
I don't automatically think butterfly legs are a good thing. Often they just introduce a heap of dead running going back to a pivot control repeatedly. I've seen it done poorly more often than done well.
Sep 23, 2020 1:55 AM # 
jennycas:
I second Rachel's statement. There is generally no good reason to go to a control more than once, especially on a street series event!
Sep 23, 2020 7:10 AM # 
simmo:
Jenny we're not talking about a street event. The Dryandra event is using the same map as the score event at last year's Carnival. There is one TBT route which shows the map area, basically the two blocks south of the Lions Village. The map is A4, 1:10000, and given the vague nature of much of the area it would be very difficult to fit a 10km course without traversing the more detailed areas more than once.

I think when you see the course map, you will see that the pivot controls may not be as easy as you think second time around, and that the butterflies add some interest to the course.

I'm disappointed that people see fit to criticise an event, especially one organised by a regional club, before it's even happened! Kudos to tRicky and Tooms though!
Sep 23, 2020 7:12 AM # 
tRicky:
I haven't criticised it yet. Maybe if I bowl over a few kids, pregnant women or the frail and elderly on course then that may change.
Sep 23, 2020 7:47 AM # 
Rachel:
I wasn't criticising the event, just pointing out that butterfly legs don't automatically sell an event to me. I would reserve judgement until afterwards except I'm doing the H3.
Sep 23, 2020 12:42 PM # 
jennycas:
And I was criticising the fact that they have crept into street events...
Sep 25, 2020 4:49 PM # 
tRicky:
What's it called when the course visits a control, goes to another control then back to the one you just left (e.g. 116->124->116)? We had to do that in a NZ MTBO once.

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