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Discussion: Brilliant

in: BorisGr; BorisGr > 2021-04-18

Apr 19, 2021 7:41 AM # 
Congrats to all involved!
Apr 19, 2021 2:06 PM # 
Apr 19, 2021 5:14 PM # 
Sweet! Amazing job, particularly on the map. Although a little steeper than I had expected from the photos!

The advanced course looks pretty hardcore given your target audience, and the run times on all courses are pretty long - in the UK I think people might not come back if they were out for 2+ hours, but I guess they make them tougher in Montana?
Apr 19, 2021 6:15 PM # 
I think for many of the folks who come to our events, it is an alternative to hiking rather than a competitive sport, and so they don't mind being out longer. I suspect many would be disappointed if they were done in half an hour.
Apr 19, 2021 6:57 PM # 
Expectations are a significant factor. If you're expecting to navigate cleanly and efficiently around a course, that's one thing, but if you're expecting to hunt around for challenging hidden objects, that's different.
Apr 19, 2021 7:01 PM # 
Those expectations make for different styles of course setting, too. And sometimes people in the club who don't understand the purpose of a sprint map.

This Griz-o map looks great, btw! What was the process you all used to get it to this shape? Lidar basemap, Boris annotations, remote edits to the map?
Apr 19, 2021 7:22 PM # 
The process:
1) Lidar basemap by cedarcreek
2) A bunch of (shoddy) fieldwork and drafting by me
3) Remote editing and drafting by Balter, focusing on where the courses sent
4) (Yet to come) Fieldwork by Balter followed by another iteration of remote editing
Apr 19, 2021 10:46 PM # 
Looks great, and what a fine result (map and event turnout). Map looks fun (if physical.)
Apr 20, 2021 3:43 PM # 
80 people! Wow. If you need lidar processed for anywhere else, just ask.

I hope Boris doesn't mind me sharing one of the lidar images. It's an output called visible sky. It's an output of one of the QGIS SAGA processing tools. I think it's particularly artful (24MB image):

If you want to find it on an online map, search for Soft Rock Road. Pretty sure it's the only Soft Rock Road in the world. (How many Happy Jack Roads could there be?)

It took me longer than I'd like to admit to figure out the stream is really a canal. My brain had some weird contour-interpreting machinations before it realized the stream wasn't the local minimum.
Apr 20, 2021 8:22 PM # 
Re: expectations

This is why DGL went with the score-O choose your adventure style events and then gave each control a colour difficulty rating (green beginner, blue square intermediate, bLack diamond and double black). Rewarded for finding controls and not penalized for missing them. You can set up dog bones or line o controls in score too.

Newbies get super excited when they find their first black diamond control. They go on with not expecting to find it and when they do they are hooked.
Apr 20, 2021 8:29 PM # 
I like that color-coding idea! Are they drawn on the map that way or only mentioned in descriptions or something?
Apr 21, 2021 2:13 AM # 
in the UK I think people might not come back if they were out for 2+ hours, but I guess they make them tougher in Montana

I've done two courses this month where I was out longer than two hours; one of them was >3hrs (I know of at least one person that day who was out for >4hrs and there was no water on courses).
Apr 21, 2021 2:36 AM # 
That is a beautiful image!
Apr 21, 2021 4:18 AM # 
The first course I did by myself, I took 2:36:40. That was when I really got interested, and I haven't stopped coming back yet.
Apr 21, 2021 4:13 PM # 
@Cristina - drawn on the map, but also in descriptions:
Apr 21, 2021 4:57 PM # 
Ok, we'll definitely try this format at one of our future events. Looks fun.
Apr 22, 2021 8:27 PM # 
That map and terrain look totally legit!
Apr 22, 2021 9:27 PM # 
Come on out! We'd love to have you!
Apr 22, 2021 9:49 PM # 
I'll be there, need some competition Eric!

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