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| # Posted 2008-02-24 11:57:41 | |
| Eoin: | Indeed they are, particularly ones who are not habitual orienteers who like to be official. |
| # Posted 2008-02-24 14:29:01 | |
| TheInvisibleLog: | Sometimes, yes. |
| # Posted 2008-02-25 03:32:40 | |
| Bomb: | We use SI for all our summer park race, and run the whole event (registration and finishes) off one computer. We do have a pre entry system, but only use it to determine how many maps to print out - you get a colour one if you pre-enter or b/w if you just turn up on the day. works pretty well and we've been using the same format for a few years now.
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| # Posted 2008-02-25 03:39:49 | |
| Uncle JiM: | Hadn't thought about the b/w map, one of the concerns I had about allowing EOD to copy there course onto a blank map, was that you had to carry a stock of maps for them to use. |
| # Posted 2008-02-25 04:35:15 | |
| Bruce: | We should also enforce a hefty late fee for late entries. That may help these people to get the message.
Jimbo does a great job with these events as almost a "one man show". This is only possible with pre-entry, as there is already too much to do on the day. It would be a shame if these late entries reduce his enthusiasm for organising. |
| # Posted 2008-02-25 06:32:25 | |
| Bomb: | we've found that the b/w map is a good compromise - saves map printing costs (only risk 10c rather than $1 per map), and doesn't reduce potential entries, but one run with a b/w map is a good encouragement to register for the rest of the series. and for park/street maps the b/w is good enough that you can figure it out. |
| # Posted 2008-02-25 07:37:46 | |
| phatmax: | Having pre-marked maps is a real bonus for competitors, and can make life much simpler for organisers. However, the orgainser needs to be organised enough to get the maps printed before hand. We need to get people to think far enough ahead to pre-enter, and while we don't have all SL events and above asking for pre-entry people won't get into the mindset. If there was a common requirement and common "penalty" for not pre-entering then the message would get through quicker. The B&W photocopy has some appeal. Another possibility is an in the field print for those that don't pre-enter. |
| # Posted 2008-02-25 09:45:05 | |
| Eoin: | We need to get people to think far enough ahead to pre-enter
We should also enforce a hefty late fee for late entries. That may help these people to get the message. Both of these comments assume that you are "preaching to the converted" and are able to re-educate miscreants. Many EODs are either new or returning orienteers and are not susceptible to the Take it or Leave it approach - they will find something else to do at the weekends. Yes, charge extra, yes copy their own maps, yes black and white if you must but please, organisers should find some way to accommodate and encourage people who turn up at your remote location keen to try our sport! |
| # Posted 2008-02-25 14:00:06 | |
| TheInvisibleLog: | Bendigo is organising approximately 50 events this year. The mix is indicative of the increasing segmentation of the navigation sport community. The formats of the sport are proliferating in response. The orientshow and the 6 hour score event are at two extremes of duration and intensity. There are people who only turn up for the complex maps, and those who only run on spur gully. There are the die-hards to turn up to everything and those who only come out once a year for Kooyoora. There are international competitors and those who won't travel more than 10 kilometres. Novices are another segment. From my experience, they don't turn up at sprints, hagebys or anything with words like State or Championship in the title. The best approach is to target them with special events. And we do. Lycra is banned.
Of the 40-50 events four will be pre-entry. These are events characterised by Hageby style courses and/or electronic timing. At these events a non electronic, non-premarked option is offered. Seems to me its hard to be any more accomodating and maintain some of those more complex event formats. As a note on the need to cultivate organisers, our willing array of State League level organisers declined by about 50 per cent after the introduction of electonic timing. Our State event offerings declined by the same amount. They are also an important 'market segment' that deserves careful monitoring. |
| # Posted 2008-02-25 15:21:32 | |
| Tooms: | We've incidentally found a way around the problems of the last paragraph, kind of a innate natural levelling response - some of our organisers still turn-up to SI events but they don't care for how it works, nor care if it fails to produce results on the day. This is fine for crusty dyed-in-the-wool long-term members, buts looks awful to first timers... "hey, I've turned up to this sport 90mins drive away in the middle of nowhere, wander around for hours and then don't get results."
But the orienteers are happy. And still say "No, we should NEVER pay someone a casual rate to run the SI system for the event. Humph, just isn't done." |
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