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Discussion: Watching JWOC sprint races July 3 & 4

in: Junior World Orienteering Championship 2023 (Jul 1–8, 2023 - Baia Mare, Județul Maramureș, RO)

Jul 2, 2023 2:37 AM # 
IF only:
Hi all,
Here is where I think you go to watch the JWOC teams in action Monday and Tuesday:
and other info here:

For Monday - Sprint & Tuesday - Sprint relay the start times are:
4:30pm Romanian time
2:30pm UK
9:30am Boston
6:30am Seattle

Tuesday coverage will start maybe 30mins earlier because mass start is at these times listed above. Sprint relay format is Woman, Man, Man, Woman.

The relay seems like a great way to start July 4th for all who celebrate;-)
Jul 2, 2023 12:33 PM # 
also on IOF page
Jul 2, 2023 1:04 PM # 
Sprint start list
Jul 2, 2023 7:15 PM # 
Read about how the team has been preparing for these races here!
Jul 3, 2023 10:53 AM # 
It's Race Day!

In just a little over three hours, at 9:51 EDT / 6:51 PDT, Alex Merka from Quantico Orienteering Club will lead things off for TeamUSA in the JWOC 2023 Baia Mare - România Sprint competition. Catch your favorite athletes live at the start times posted in the graphic.

Catch all the action as it happens from the JWOC '23 Live Center - Start Lists, Live Results, GPS Tracking & Video Livestream (live stream starts at 9:20am EDT) -

TeamUSA Coach Evalin Brautigam reports that the team is currently "a bit nervous, but excited and ready to race!"

Graphic courtesy EvalinMaePhotography (aka Coach Evalin)
Jul 3, 2023 1:40 PM # 
Under way now. Looks like the live tracking is working but the live results aren't (yet). Some interesting legs (including a difficult route choice first up), though the end of the course is straightforward.
Jul 3, 2023 1:47 PM # 
Everyone's starting two minutes late too.

13-14 on the M20 course is fun with all the barriers.
Jul 3, 2023 2:26 PM # 
I see there are six mispunches in the women's (including Mikaela Gray), which seems a lot so early?
Jul 3, 2023 2:38 PM # 
what are the odds of anyone running 13.30?
Jul 3, 2023 2:53 PM # 

I was watching Mikaela. She had a big mishap from 12-13, as did the Japanese runner who started just ahead of her. I don't even know if she went to 12.
Jul 3, 2023 7:02 PM # 
Is the tracking for urban sprints always that sketchy?
I know they are running quickly and changing direction 'on a dime', things we never do when mapping with a gps transmitter.
But it seemed to be nothing to see the icons one block over from where they should be or turning around 100 or so meters before reaching the control. Took a bit of imagination to get it in mind that everything was okay.
Jul 3, 2023 7:31 PM # 
@ Gord -- Yes. And especially if there are tall buildings blocking the GPS signals.
Jul 3, 2023 7:50 PM # 
can confirm my GPS track does not show any of my mistakes, instead I apparently crashed through buildings. no wonder I'm so sore.
Jul 3, 2023 8:56 PM # 
Buildings don't just block signals, they reflect them. Imagine if the city were made of mirrors, and you were in a helicopter, trying to figure out where someone is. Their apparent position could well be inside a building.
Jul 4, 2023 2:40 AM # 
GPS tracking is near useless for urban sprints, especially when you're trying to figure out which control someone missed.
Jul 4, 2023 4:56 AM # 
My experience running in inner cities are that GPSs most commonly do strange things when there are buildings of significantly different heights (I can certainly imagine this would be the case in Romania - it looked from the map like an apartment tower area typical of eastern Europe). They don't do quite so badly in places where all the buildings are a similar height.

Apparently stray dogs were an occasional hazard.
Jul 4, 2023 6:40 AM # 
@tRicky the splits are up and I'm still wondering which control Brage Takle of Norway missed on the Men's course.
Jul 4, 2023 7:58 AM # 
Controls 14 and 28 are missing on the splits. Looks like they fell off the side of the page.
Jul 4, 2023 10:48 AM # 
Day 2 of JWOC 2023 Baia Mare - România brings us head-2-head racing action in the Sprint Relay with a mass start at 9:30am EDT. Georgia Orienteering Club's Lily Addicott will take it out on Leg 1 for TeamUSA-1 and Delaware Valley Orienteering Association's Paige Suhocki lead off TeamUSA-2.

Legs 2 & 3 will feature the men and then the ladies will bring it home on the final fourth leg of the relay. Only 2 teams per country, so Anna, Hana & Shawn will be sitting out the action today and resting their legs for forest racing later this week..

This should make for some great Live TV - be sure to tune in just 3 short hours from now. Plenty of time to catch the action and still get to your afternoon picnics or whatever activities you have planned for this Independence Day holiday.

Happy 4th everyone!!

Graphic courtesy TeamUSA Coach Evalin Brautigam / EvalinMaePhotography
Jul 4, 2023 1:20 PM # 
IF only:
Streaming has started on youtube:
Jul 4, 2023 1:42 PM # 
Looks like Corn Maze training will come in handy today! nice labyrinth...
Jul 4, 2023 4:22 PM # 
The live results were a bit of a mess during the race but if I'm reading them correctly, it looks like Australia were 8th nation? If so it would be their best ever result in a JWOC relay, I think.
Jul 4, 2023 5:11 PM # 
There seemed to be some protests happening. Anyone know the story??
Jul 4, 2023 6:10 PM # 
New Zealand first runner's, also leading the first leg, SI Air malfunctioned so was listed as mp. it also appears they are no longer handing out 2 e-punches (?), like they had done since 2019, when the Russian W athlete's SI Air was failing on the Long, and they had noticed that before she even came into the finish... fighting for gold.
Jul 4, 2023 8:05 PM # 
First leg women were also plagued by a control stand on the spectator leg that was poorly positioned/anchored that fell over repeatedly as the first women came through. i could see it being easy to 'miss a punch' reaching down to an SI box sitting on the ground and the chaos of multiple runners reaching in.
Jul 7, 2023 4:58 AM # 
Long starts in an hour. Keegan did great on the middle. Any other updates??
Jul 7, 2023 9:53 AM # 
TV Just announced Keegan currently 13th!! 10 minutes down. Woot!!!
Jul 7, 2023 11:02 AM # 
Henriette Radzikowski (SUI) is currently in silver position and won gold in the middle. She is only 17.
Jul 7, 2023 11:38 AM # 
Last time JWOC was in that part of the world there was a first-time Swiss participant of whom more was subsequently heard, too...
Jul 7, 2023 12:32 PM # 
Fa'avae (NZL) 4th
Jul 7, 2023 1:26 PM # 
What's your favorite? Watching the live results or the live tracking? I like the tracking but it is frustrating when one of your favorites misses a trail junction turn and goes merrily on her way and can't hear me yelling to go back!
Shaping up to be a close Battle of the Americas. ..Well North America ... Well Can/ Am. in the Men's Relay.
Jul 8, 2023 7:48 AM # 
Well the relay certainly isn't my favourite to watch. Just saw both Aus M20 teams mispunch within quick succession of each other. We definitely have a poor track record in relays.
Jul 8, 2023 7:59 AM # 
I'm not 100% certain those are actual mispunches - there was some reshuffling of the Australian teams (apparently Leith is sick) so it's possible that it may be a case of the wrong runners recorded against the wrong legs. We'll see.
Jul 8, 2023 8:09 AM # 
Yeah I just noticed they're both recorded with a result and with a mspunch on the live results page so that is probably the case. I did notice the reshuffle.
Jul 8, 2023 9:56 AM # 
What a race in the junior womens relay! Has a world championships relay ever been so close? Top three team within one second of each other? A YouTube replay to watch, for sure.
OOPS! One team had a MP. Only top two within one second.
Jul 10, 2023 11:35 AM # 
Apparently the Swedish girl missed to punch the spectator control while passing through the arena so she definitely "completed" the course like everyone else. So sad...
Jul 10, 2023 1:39 PM # 
And the Swedish team didn't appeal?
Back in '86, I think it was, durring a World Cup event in New York a Swedish girl failed to punch at a water control out in the woods where there were lots of witnesses that she was there.
She was DQed but the team appealed to the jury and the jury found reason to overturn the DQ.
One jury member sure caught heck from some IOF bigwigs the next time he showed up at an IOF meeting.
So I guess the '86 decision doesn't form a precedent.
Jul 10, 2023 2:16 PM # 
The rules specify that such evidence can only be used in cases where the failure to record a punch is not the competitor's fault. I didn't see what happened but if she just didn't punch then there's nothing to appeal.

I encountered this rule first hand a World Cup race. There was photographic evidence of me punching the spectator control, but that couldn't be used to verify my punch--I had to have the correct imprints on the backup slip on the Emit card.
Jul 10, 2023 4:28 PM # 
Would love to hear people's thoughts on spectator controls. I find they often compromise an otherwise good course design and don't add much more to the excitement than you get from the finish chute or radio controls, but I am still new to this.
Jul 10, 2023 4:46 PM # 
Check out Sweden's non punch at 3:22 of the JWOC Relay stream, linked on the other AP thread.
She almost certainly thought the flag, which she ran next to, was a non punching flag like the end of the nearby Start chute.

@TimMcl- I am in strong agreement with your point as applied to Middles, and often Longs, but not Relays.
Jul 10, 2023 4:58 PM # 
The rules are pretty clear these days with non-registration of a punch on SI equipment. We had one rider at the WMTBOC last year who was seen to pass by the spectator control in the sprint but did not record a punch. He claims to have gone near enough but we also had backup SIAC and that didn't record it either so he had no case. He was rather upset that the manager didn't put in a complaint but in my opinion it would have been pointless.
Jul 10, 2023 6:11 PM # 
This issue seems eternal. For reference, see the 1991 WOC Short Preliminary race, where the fastest (I think) finisher, who would have been a likely medalist if she had been in the A final, was disqualified for missing a punch. The punch (this was in the days of pin punching) was on the card, but one of the pinholes was outside the box.
Jul 10, 2023 10:29 PM # 
For those who didn´t follow the JWOC Relays it is worth noting the fantastic race by Keegan Harkavy on the first leg in the Men´s class. He came in to the change-over in 9th place only 14 seconds behind the leader.
Jul 11, 2023 8:02 AM # 
I followed your post in the other thread.

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