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Discussion: Went to read about this online

in: EuanT; EuanT > 2024-02-05

Feb 6, 2024 11:58 AM # 
And the header of all of the articles which I assume are the ones you're refering to was this:

Attention Uphill Athletes: The information in these articles provides outdated, incorrect, and potentially harmful information. Scientific knowledge evolves as new studies are done and we are on the forefront of tracking and keeping you updated on the current best practices. Since this article was published new scientific and experiential findings directly and definitively contradict the information provided in this article. Uphill Athlete’s long-time registered dietician, Rebecca Dent, is working on updating our community on the new best practices, including what the latest research and coaching experience indicates to be best practices, and why. In the meantime, we want you to fuel all of your training sessions appropriately, to make sure you have enough energy to train and recover ready for your next training session and so you can cope with the training load of the week. This will help to ensure you are eating enough energy day to day to support your health and enable you to reach your full fitness potential ultimately helping you achieve your goal of summit success or crossing that finish line. In the meantime, please make sure you adequately fuel your training with a source of carbohydrate.

Training before eating doesn't sound like a good idea to me, but up to you to make up your mind obviously.
Feb 6, 2024 12:52 PM # 
Fairs, may have saved me some pain there, cheers.
Feb 6, 2024 12:55 PM # 
I would say I did notice some fat adaptation when I did quite a lot of pre-brekkie stuff in summer 2020. Starting feeling pretty fit, but mostly at lower intensities, not sure if it translated to racing at all. But during that time I was also basically in the pro-athlete lifestyle, so could focus a lot of recovery and was eating lots of good food the rest of the day.

I think when you have uni stress etc, the risks probably outweigh the benefits. Not getting injured or ill is far more important I'd say.
Feb 6, 2024 1:05 PM # 
“think when you have uni stress etc, the risks probably outweigh the benefits. Not getting injured or ill is far more important I'd say”

Wise words from a wise man
Feb 6, 2024 2:47 PM # 
I find with work I often have to fit training in pre-breakfast and generally just have an espresso before heading out. Anywhere up to 90mins isn't really an issue (inc. sessions) as long as you've eaten properly the day before but it's maybe something to build up to and get your body used to. Not sure on the physical benefits etc but from a practical point of view it helps with time saving when you're busy and gives you some structure/routine.
Feb 6, 2024 3:22 PM # 
Yeah, in my opinion there's nothing wrong with running pre brekky if it saves time and means you can optimise your training in other ways but if given the choice of running after food or not, I'm always going to pick food. Especially as I've seen evidence that for runs over ~75 mins, it's recommended to have 30-60g of carbs per hour while you're running, although tbf the scientific literature on that doesn't seem to fully developed either. Basically, it just seems best to fuel lots.
Feb 7, 2024 9:34 AM # 
I guess the other way of doing it would be to experiment a bit and find something you can eat and run straight away afterwards without any gastro issues. That way you get the benefit of some short-term fuel but also some learning for longer races on what works well for you. Could be cereal bars or carb drinks or something. Agreed it would be preferable to run with food where possible!
Feb 7, 2024 10:46 AM # 
I personally definitely get a mental benefit from running pre-breakfast, guess it just feels like a productive start to the day. It is probably quite hard to tell whether you experience any physical impacts given the number of other variables from training but I think as long as it's not before anything strenuous, just short easy running it isn't going to hurt. I agree that pre-session and long run etc. better to make sure you're fully fueled, and I think it's hard in general to eat too much.
Feb 8, 2024 8:40 AM # 
Really good point about the mental side of it, I've definitely found the same. I've always thought of it as regardless of how busy a day gets or if something comes up at least I've gotten a bit of training in!

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