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Discussion: Good job

in: ken; ken > 2024-02-21

Feb 22, 2024 2:19 PM # 
Nice start to a xc career.
Feb 22, 2024 3:26 PM # 
So fun
Feb 22, 2024 4:46 PM # 
Damn, nice job dude!
Tell me more about this liquid wax.
Feb 22, 2024 5:05 PM # 
Impressive consistency.
Feb 23, 2024 12:28 AM # 
I put on Swix non-fluro TS7 with a temp range 18-28 F. The overnight low was in that range and it was cloudy so I knew it would not warm up fast. Also, the snow was all man made and then heavily worked with transport and grooming which made it fully transformed granular. This meant I wanted to wax colder than the temperature indicated; I think a warmer wax would have dragged.

I don't know what Kenny had under the top coat, but I had a base of Swix non-fluro Marathon powder followed by Star medium and warm race powders all ironed in at home and then rotobrushed. I would have liked to rotobrush the liquid, but hadn't brought the gear. I was happy with the wax but missed the fluro days which would have given us rocket skis.
Feb 23, 2024 12:36 AM # 
I had one layer of cheapo all-temperature alpine glide wax ironed in underneath.
Feb 23, 2024 1:32 AM # 
Feb 23, 2024 4:01 PM # 
Great work Ken! Its been a strange winter thats for sure so good that the race was able to happen. Lots of cancellations here in Ontario. Our club's ski race in early January was cancelled due to no snow then 3 days later our highschool race was cancelled due to too much snow (dangerous driving conditions). We got whacked with snow squalls on Saturday and now most of the snow has melted due to warm temps. Ugh.

Liquid waxes make things a lot easier and less frustrating for my (non racing) nordic skiing. I use mostly vauhti. Kensr do you have a recommendation for a rotobrush?
Feb 23, 2024 11:55 PM # 
I've used a bunch of Vauhti when I could buy it direct from Zach Caldwell (he's nearby) at Caldwell Sport. Also got a bunch on a skiO trip to Finland and saved a lot of money. That was all fluro wax which is outlawed now. So I switched to Star (also from Zach) and Swix, which I've always been using, too.

The rotobrush holder is by Red Creek (Sweden) and the nylon brush and mohair wheel are from Star. Got all those from Caldwell Sport. I like using the rotobrush to apply wax for short days (10-20 km) and also use it for a final polish for ironed in wax layers.
Feb 24, 2024 2:07 AM # 
do you polish liquid glide with roto?
Feb 24, 2024 12:18 PM # 
I use the rotobrush with a mohair wheel if I’m home. Otherwise I hand buff with a felt block. The liquid goes on in a thin coating and turns a dull matte when it dries in 5-10 min. You want to take off the matte and make it shiny.
Starskiwax and Zach both have good videos on this.
Feb 24, 2024 7:41 PM # 
I have been told when it is wet you should leave it a bit matte or polish properly but then finally hand brush lightly with bronze to make it a bit matte. Not sure why, I guess something to do with the suction reduction (grinding structure functioning better if not polished down?

Modern high end waxes are hard and solid blocks are difficult to apply. Some tips: apply it by rubbing the block against base until you have enough wax everywhere. Then apply glide cleaner liquid (I supose you have some, every brand have versions of ot, the liquid you use to glean glide base, I guess also any wax removing solvent would do) to a fabric and rub/wipe the base. the wax you rubbed solves and becomes sort of a liquid wax for a moment, wipe the whole base like thet to get nice thin layer of wax. Let it dry and harden, then brush. IMHO the easiest way to apply hard waxes without any special tools. And you don't waste your precious waxes by scraping them to the floor. If wax is really really hard, too difficult to rub to base (some greens are really hard) you can grind/crush it into a powder/dust, put it into a bottle and add some glide cleaner solvernt, shake and let it melt some days. There you have "home made" liquid wax, easy to add with a fabric.

High end solid waxes are still great and really cost effective if you apply them like this instead of scraping them to the trash. And you dont need much tools either. I never managed to make equally good finish by iron melting and scraping.

Those tips are picked them from various sources, some are from a wax manufacturer RD engineer (not vauhti).

I suspect warm temperature waxes are and will be harded than before, soft waxes just absorb dirt too much, maybe it was ok with fluor (because it sis better absorb fluor?) . Also without fluor hand structuring is more important and structures stay better/longer with hard waxes.
Feb 26, 2024 12:35 PM # 
Nice ski Kenny!

One note, Kensr, is that swix these days isn’t totally true to the colors/temps like the days of fluoros. Generally HS/TS6 runs better on very abrasive or manmade snow, and the 7 is running better in fresh natural snow. Then the 8 is more universal again. So, you just have to ignore the temperature ranges, I guess.

I like the red creek tools, though swix also makes a nice roto wool that we’re using a lot for liquids. Seems like the drying time affects durability, so an overnight dry time maybe best for a marathon.
Feb 26, 2024 1:07 PM # 
Interesting insight on Swix.

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