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Feb 23, 2024 2:20 PM # 
Sorry to hear about the knee. Prognosis sounds good and at least you can still get some exercise. Given the weather this time of year it is a good time to be on restrictions.

Linda saw the Ortho as well and her break was clean and has started to heal. 6-8 weeks is the projection. Pain is minimal at this point.
Feb 23, 2024 2:33 PM # 
You are one tough son of a gun to have done the entirety of MOM with a fractured kneecap, but I suppose we already knew that. Good luck with the healing! Hope to see you at Masters Champs or PNWOF.
Feb 23, 2024 7:10 PM # 
Peter was also told 6-8 weeks to heal. Also was going to be put in a brace that kept his knee straight except at rest. So he escaped that by showing up 10 days into it and doing a bunch of MOM as a son of a gun. I call that stubborn :-)
Feb 23, 2024 7:51 PM # 
Did the doc have any recent news about Tony? We used to go to his Mt Tom Thanksgiving meets.
Feb 23, 2024 9:01 PM # 
Tony was a good friend, very influential in the sport locally when I was first orienteering in the 80s. I just googled him. He has a facebook page, posted something last week about a hiking group he is in. He hasn't been around orienteering in quite a long time. As I recall he had two sons who participated off and on in local meets. One of them was Ron, but I don't remember the other one's name.

And certainly sorry to hear about the knee. Seems kind of like an injury Rhonda had five or six years ago, running to catch a train in NYC and tripping on an electric cord that was stretched across the sidewalk. Took a while to heal.
Feb 23, 2024 10:19 PM # 
Oh man, fractured kneecap! It's amazing you were able to do as much as you did, but then again we never count you out. Best wishes for a quick and full recovery.
Feb 23, 2024 10:37 PM # 
I was running behind him the last day for a few controls and having hard time keeping up. I know that I am slow, but he is also a tough "son of a gun".
Feb 23, 2024 10:47 PM # 
Rick -- of course there's Linda, complete collarbone break, and she was going out every day with one arm totally unusable. Tough, for sure. Stubborn (as I have also been called), perhaps a little. :-)
Feb 24, 2024 9:17 AM # 
When the US brought in the “sporting withdrawal” rankings rule the number of DNFs (aka SPW) initially increased in US elite orienteering. In one race shortly after the rule was introduced a US team member withdrew from the race (that many on the CDN team were at) because of a minor mishap. Meanwhile in the same race, PG who had fallen and hit his head on a rock came racing into the finish with blood all across his face. The CDN team came to the conclusion that PG was one really tough competitor. After reading this kneecap story maybe PG is the toughest orienteer north america has ever had period. I think a lot of us had already come to that conclusion but this story just makes his living legend status that much more legendary.
Feb 24, 2024 11:32 AM # 
Dang, sorry about the knee diagnosis, but in the scheme of things, a bone break isn't so bad. No ligaments or tendons that’ll need a year of PT or whatever. I hope it heals fast! Glad you got out of the stricter recovery plan by being a tough-as-nails MFer!

I knew I picked good role models :)
Feb 24, 2024 2:51 PM # 
Sporting withdrawal has been around for a very long time, but it was never intended to be something that somebody could choose, but rather something that the officials could apply in cases like a competitor abandoning the race to provide aid to someone, or a problem with the course beyond the competitor's control (e.g. controls getting picked up while a later starter was still on the course). Rule 0.30.0 specifically says that a competitor can't elect it himself. (Not to say this hasn't been abused, though.)
Feb 24, 2024 4:52 PM # 
Even just reading "fractured" and "kneecap" hurts. Hope the recovery is smooth.
Feb 24, 2024 5:27 PM # 
PG could teach Chopper Read a thing or two.
Feb 24, 2024 5:48 PM # 
tough sun of a gun. Not just orienteering.
Feb 24, 2024 10:30 PM # 
You and Linda are amazing! Good luck with your recovery.
Feb 24, 2024 10:33 PM # 
Interestingly, the comment thread on the post Phil linked above also features a comment by Hammer about the same SPW incident at the '96 Roundup.
Feb 24, 2024 10:47 PM # 
Well Boris it was a sight that once you saw it you don’t forget it.
What Alex J said.
Feb 24, 2024 11:09 PM # 
Tough, it's true, but you might not realize just how tough he is if he weren't so clumsy. ;-)
Feb 25, 2024 2:18 AM # 
The line between not quitting and being stupid can be very thin. I thought what I was doing, some wonderful orienteering at a level of effort that might hurt some, would not do any damage. Not so sure about that now. A few days ago I wrote that my bones were strong enough that I didn't break anything. Seems that was wrong too. And I'm suddenly feeling more fragile.

As I get well into the seriously old part of life, I've been trying to modify my behavior in a number of ways that could all be classified as trying not to do stupid things. Seems like there is still a lot to be done.
Feb 25, 2024 3:23 AM # 
You won't be seriously old until October. At least, that was the line my father drew.
Feb 25, 2024 12:25 PM # 
Alex has it right. Bones will heal with a definite end point. Tendon and muscle tears can go on and on. Let it heal and get back at it!
Feb 26, 2024 10:01 PM # 
I didn't realise Chopper Read's (in)fame extended to the US - or do you have a different one?
Feb 26, 2024 11:22 PM # 
When American orienteers talk about Chopper Read, they actually mean Heath Franklin.
Feb 28, 2024 12:12 PM # 
Exactly. Although we do know about the real Chopper, too.
Feb 29, 2024 8:28 PM # 
PG could teach Chopper Read a thing or two.

So Charlie posts this on my log a few days ago, and I have no idea what he's talking about. So I ignore it. But then there's more, apparently a "real" Chopper, and also another Chopper, this one fake I assume?

Enough is enough. I do a Google search. I see that it's true, there are these Chopper guys out there. But how does everyone seem to know about them? Blair, well, he's Australian, as both Choppers seem to be, so that's OK. And JJ, he knows everything**, so I guess that's OK too. But Charlie? Charlie makes it sound like Chopper, at least one of them, is an old friend. Did Chopper used to be an actuary?

As the years go by, I am used to be more and more out of it. But this is getting a bit much.

** So in response, I must say to JJ that it seems he doesn't know the meaning of short. And more specifically, how you are supposed to act when you're short. Because he is getting real short and he seems to be getting it all wrong. (I know I could ask him this on his log, but JJ visits every log on AP and he'll be back here before long.)
Feb 29, 2024 11:51 PM # 
Sometimes it’s hard to know who’s putting who on.
Mar 1, 2024 3:01 AM # 
So, in case Peter has actually forgotten what the deal is with Chopper Read, and for anyone else who might be wondering...

Mark "Chopper" Read was a career criminal in Australia, and it seems to me quite a jerk (or whatever the local term is). Among other things, he was noted for cutting his own ears off while in prison, maybe on a dare (though that's not how he got the nickname).

Heath Franklin is an Australian comedian who often performs as a character named Chopper Read who is a caricature/parody of the criminal of the same name. Some years ago, the YouTube video of one episode of his act made the rounds here on Attackpoint (on PG's log in particular), in which the character ridiculed various people who he felt weren't tough enough, exhorting them to "harden the fuck up". This led to the shorthand "HTFU" to refer to doing something that didn't kill you and therefore presumably made you stronger.
Mar 1, 2024 12:22 PM # 
Ah, enlightenment. :-)

Even my poor addled brain still remembers, and remembers fondly, HTFU. and certainly uses it from time to time. If I had remembered it when I was planking, I probably would have gone for 10 minutes, or however long it took to stop laughing.

Amd to Charlie, with regard to who was putting who on -- I was taught in school that the second "who" should be a "whom" but that sounds really forced these days and I don't think it's done much -- it seems that nobody was putting nobody on. I was just real late getting to the party.

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