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Discussion: OOB

in: Craig; Craig > 2024-02-25

Feb 26, 2024 6:45 AM # 
tRicky:
I've seen Tash's map and I would not be disqualifying anyone for running through that thin strip. I think there's an open bit at the SW end but even that's very hard to see due to a combination of paved area edge, north line and a tree. There's a narrow path at the SW side of the shelter to the SW that's also definitely not minimum width.

Having said all that I'm in the process of overhauling the Garvey Park map that I previously drew to ensure it complies more to standards, at least regarding minimum widths and OOB edges. I'm still having issues with the difference between drawing white, scattered trees and just drawing trees individually.
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Feb 26, 2024 8:34 AM # 
simmo:
Distinguishing between the use of individual trees, scattered trees, or white is an issue with ISSprOM that even WOC mappers have noted. (There is a link to this site in the NavDash Guidelines in the Tech pages, which has been there for several years.)

I'll be having a word with TB about breaking circles as I didn't even see the passage into 14 (11 on my course). I remember mapping that gap in the garden now it's been mentioned, but it was way back in 2013 and I'd forgotten it. Also, I agree the dog exercise area should be OOB, but it wasn't there when the original map was done in 2010 and I don't think there's ever been a leg crossing it before so would never have been updated. We walk our dog in Hamer 2-3 times a week and never go in that exercise area because there are nearly always large aggressive dogs there.

I went through the OOB between your 1 & 2, and Livelox shows that a few of the Long runners did too. There's absolutely nothing there so I'm assuming some sort of temporoary maintenance was going on when Sten or Kate updated it, and TB never removed the OOB.
Feb 26, 2024 8:44 AM # 
simmo:
Just noticed the OOB alongside Stancliffe St doesn't have a black line boundary. These weren't in use in 2013, and obviously no-one has thought to add one since they were introduced. Therefore no-one should be DQ for running through it.
Feb 26, 2024 9:40 AM # 
tRicky:
I didn't map the dog exercise area as OOB on the Piara Waters map but did map it with a high fence (ISOM so technically passable even though I didn't map the gates). I didn't really expect anyone to go through it given the control was on the south side on the outside (though I didn't specify that) but noticed at least one person on Livelox did go through the exercise area after approaching from the south but completely bypassing the area and coming in from the north.

Not breaking circles or lines is a worldwide issue. Some of the LMS events at Oceania did it weirdly. One event had the circles broken in such small increments and in odd places that it wasn't worth doing at all; another one had weirdly large cuts that looked like they'd been done and then moved the circles elsewhere without fixing the cuts because they didn't obscure anything. I've run in a truckload of events with no cuts at all. Breaking lines is rarely done and the new standard requiring a break between the line and the circle is sometimes done way too big (the Oceania events ranged from having no gap to having a gap of about 6mm).

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