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Discussion: Twenty??

in: Orienteering; General

May 30, 2024 7:15 PM # 
gordhun:
Twenty? Did I calculate that correctly? Twenty is the number of people entered in the orienteering part of the Pan American Masters Games?
Come on people. Yes, I know the entry fee is more than a standard orienteering event but consider this:
The O part is being staged by North East Ohio (NEOOC) and they do a great job with really nice areas.
Being part of a multi-sport festival the event offers a lot more than our standard NRE (and yes at least two of the events are NRE's so there are ranking point at play.)
Yes, the Cleveland hotels are a bit expensive but the orienteering is not in Cleveland. I scored a hotel in the Akron area with kitchen for about $100/ night.
It's not too late to sign up. Let's not let NEOOC down for all the work they have done. See all the information here
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May 30, 2024 8:38 PM # 
peggyd:
We're still planning on it, but have to firm up some other things.
When I checked before, there were plenty of reasonably priced hotels around Akron & Kent.
May 31, 2024 1:12 AM # 
yurets:
Gordhun, you realize orienteering is a sport for poor people?
When Big Mac meal is priced at $18, who can afford to splurge?
May 31, 2024 5:54 AM # 
gordhun:
Not a useful comment Yurets. I am beginning to recognize when your 'tongue is in your cheek' but what would be useful would be a comment of why an old guy like you is not entered in the PAMG and what would they need to do to get you there. (with a week to go to the entry deadline).
May 31, 2024 11:44 AM # 
Arnold:
I live in London so can't help with numbers but isn't the most likely explanation that people don't feel that the "Pan American Masters Games" is something worth winning, so won't go - vs say PNWOF or NAOC which 'compete' indirectly with people's time and money over the next couple of months.

A quick search for the European Masters Games 2023 results shows equally poor attendance (in relative terms) for I assume the same reason.
May 31, 2024 12:37 PM # 
tRicky:
I guess similar to the Alice Springs Masters Games held every second year in Aus (though not now since 2018 due to Covid cancellations). The orienteering there attracts bugger all attendees but then it is also held in the middle of Australia (aka the middle of nowhere).
May 31, 2024 8:26 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
My struggle is the family vacation wraps up the weekend before, and then Ontario champs + NAOC are relatively soon after. At some point in there I ought to check in with work a bit since they make us drive in and swipe our badges so we can sit on web meetings all day.
May 31, 2024 10:05 PM # 
peggyd:
I dunno about whether it's less worth winning than NAOC or PNWOF ... certainly the former has a longer pedigree and bigger fields.
Reasons why I'm hoping to go:
1. Driving distance from home, so we can do it in a long weekend.
2. Can't go to NAOC or PNWOF (too much $ right now, plus our passports have all expired) but this will still be a fun event
3. I like campus sprints
4. I've orienteered in Cuyahoga NP before and it was fun.
5. I've never been to Cleveland and since athletes have to go there anyway, it's a good excuse to check out the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and perhaps the well-regarded zoo.
6. I'm sure the organizers are working hard and I want to support them. Scoff if you like but having been an organizer, I relate to them.
7. The medals look cool.
Jun 1, 2024 12:25 AM # 
ginger:
It's not just orienteering, though. I was looking at the numbers for triathlon and swimming (the other sports I compete in and follow), and the fields are almost comically thin. Might just be a result of difficult timing (lots of other regional and national championships going on, as well as a local meet called the "Olympics" or something /s), but I'd hazard a guess that Cleveland in July just isn't on most people's radars. Indeed, neither USA triathlon nor USA swimming websites make any mention of the Pan-American games, although numerous local races are sold out and/or capped at 2000+ athletes.
Jun 1, 2024 3:20 PM # 
furlong47:
From my personal standpoint... there's nothing wrong with the event itself, and I would consider it were it at a different time or in a different year. There are just other events that are more appealing for me to attend, and only so much money and vacation time to go around. (Doing the full week+ in Canada which is only twoish weeks after the Pan Ams is a big factor, as is the fact that there are certain months when we are supposed to limit time off and July is one of them.)
Jun 5, 2024 3:27 AM # 
MIclimber:
Unfortunately not really worth traveling to for just a Saturday sprint and then having to take two vacation days for events on Mon/Tue. That schedule is really a disservice to anyone not local.
Jun 5, 2024 5:19 AM # 
TheInvisibleLog:
Surely the weekend is kept free for you to watch the Masters Break Dancing Final?
Jun 5, 2024 9:03 AM # 
blairtrewin:
The original breakdance craze was about 40 years ago, so it makes sense that some of them want to relive past glories.
Jun 5, 2024 9:17 AM # 
gordhun:
Break Dance? Of course you are kidding. Unlike Australian games there is no dance sport on this program. However it is reasonable to expect that the parks hosting the orientering told the organizers to schedule on a week day when the parks would be less busy. Same as triathlon is always told to be on a weekend when the roads are less busy and easier for the officials to close or close lanes, golf always on weekdays and so on.
Jun 5, 2024 12:23 PM # 
tRicky:
Breakdancing is an Olympic sport now so of course there will be the inevitable revival.

Just like there will be with orienteering.
Jun 5, 2024 4:46 PM # 
jjcote:
No Breaking in the Pan-Am Masters Games. Just the regular Pan-Am Games.
Jun 23, 2024 9:21 AM # 
gordhun:
Just an update: That 20 number is now at least doubled.
And some pretty famous names in US orienteering are now entered in the PAMG.
Here is something that may not be repeated in too many other sports: Orienteering has one combination of three entries where it seems two are the parents of the third, all Masters age. Guess who!
Still time to get your entries in.
Jun 23, 2024 2:22 PM # 
peggyd:
Looks like the Hawkes-Teeters. :-)
Jul 1, 2024 12:54 PM # 
BoulderBob:
Yes, we are disappointed in the turnout, but we are taking this as a great test for us to host a national OUSA meet in the future. Our last big meet was the NAOC in 2004. Until recently, uncertainties about our volunteer base and the age of our maps have caused us to shy away from thoughts of hosting larger events. We concentrated on mapping new areas after being excluded from five of our most used venues. NEOOC has been blessed by new volunteers with much needed technical skills. Mappers have gone from one (my aging self) to four! The use of social media and virtual course apps allowed us to actually grow during and after the Covid shutdown.
The last nine months have seen us working to satisfy the Cleveland Sports Commission, PAMG, OUSA, Cuyahoga Valley NP and its naturalists, and the newest IOF mapping standards. About a dozen have been involved in field checking the three maps involved in the competition. Mike Minium and Glen Tryson have been of great help with map and course design concerns. Due to our club’s growth, we actually seem to have enough volunteers. We are hoping that this experience, even with disappointing numbers, will lead to taking on greater challenges in the future.

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