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| # Posted 2008-04-24 01:21:23 | |
| MDeVoll: | Hang in there! Awesome to hear you did the run. Hope your legs are feeling better soon. |
| # Posted 2008-04-24 02:02:28 | |
| fthfl stwrd rudy: | thx! Shouldn't be too impatient after a run like that. some recovery/rest time warranted. |
| # Posted 2008-04-24 06:23:53 | |
| Yukon King: | OK, so, my question is, why do you-all do it?!
A major reason why I like going outside is to see all the botany & wildlife & scenery & general beauty - but, when I think about it, even when I go super slow, & look carefully, I simply cannot "get" it all, can't absorb it or appreciate it properly. I've thought about this, & to even start to "get it" I have to either paint it (not happening anymore, but it worked even when I produced cr*ppy paintings), or walk thru it every day for years on end to gradually absorb the miniscule daily rhythms & seasonal changes. AOWN, if you will. But I really don't think that orienteers even remotely are doing that (they run thru my magical woods like stampeding buffaloes!!), in fact, you could say they shouldn't be, their energy should be going into the map - if they're noticing hummingbirds & the like, they should be running harder & navigating faster! (OK, I know one AP'er told me he did come away from some O-events w/ fragments or fleeting impressions of startling beauty from some of his runs, which is acceptable :) Then you get to the 25K, where the legs are trashed for 4+ days (aaaah!) & after that, there's the adventure racers who are actually hallucinating, a big bag of misery & not much beauty happenin' there, I am guessing... so what is this? what's the motivation? I can imagine ... the O-puzzle of balancing mental & physical requirements, testing oneself physically... Having indulged in some (mildly unbalanced) power-trips re pushing personal physical limits - "no, my body IS gonna do this!!" I can't say I don't have a clue but...what is that? and also, of course, do you have any response re the natural world's beauty that you are galloping thru :) Very interested to hear why you run.... |
| # Posted 2008-04-24 06:51:20 | |
| bill_l: | wow! you could probably write a doctoral thesis on these topics.
I'll be back... |
| # Posted 2008-04-24 09:51:02 | |
| fthfl stwrd rudy: | this would be a good topic for the main AP board discussions! |
| # Posted 2008-04-25 08:01:57 | |
| bill_l: | I think the motivation will be slightly different for each person, but with some common threads.
Not a complete answer, but some thoughts: I do AR for (the big, easy to identify reasons) the challenge, the experience, and the sense of accomplishment afterwards. I also have a competitive streak that needs an outlet. Preparing for a race gives me motivation to train. Perhaps, orienteering for exactly the same reasons. |
| # Posted 2008-04-25 10:23:44 | |
| Yukon King: | oooh... tell me, if you will, what is the AR experience? I can sort of picture the other things, ie challenge, reason for training and so on. Is the AR experience the teamwork, the strategic energy use...?
I bin meanin' to say, when I looked at your Great Divide biking link & more recently the Trans Rockies Run (heh, kinda at 90 degrees to each other), I was thinking, wow how beautiful. to each his own, heheheh... |
| # Posted 2008-04-25 22:47:56 | |
| fthfl stwrd rudy: | when i'm on the bike, i feel like I am giving, not taking. not sure if i am making a difference, inspiring people, etc. but i have to trust that i am. My personal drives def. feed into it, the challenge, competition etc. Sense of accomplishment comes into adventure racing, running, orienteering, because they really are hard and challenging... and grow character. |
| # Posted 2008-04-26 07:00:10 | |
| Yukon King: | do you feel like you sometimes overdo it, ie underestimate the price of your activities? or do you generally have a good idea and just say d*mn the torpedoes, full speed ahead, I'll pay the price...
and if so, what % of the time are you on target in your price-analysis, & what % time off-target? |
| # Posted 2008-04-26 10:10:17 | |
| fthfl stwrd rudy: | the trashed legs on the trail run completely surprised me, because i had done the hill training, the trail runs, the tempo runs (well more or less). ussually, there aren't big surprises, but i do wonder how i would be able to function if i had a 9-5. being wasted the day after a multi-hour event. i've learned to realize i have to pay the price of rest before and after, the cost of age, if i could i would ride 6 hours every day, or run, even more unlikely.
being tired is 100%, goes-w-the-territory |
| # Posted 2008-04-26 22:09:49 | |
| fthfl stwrd rudy: | one more raison d' orienteer/anything that would be sure to be mentioned if this was on the board discussion page is, getting 'back to nature'. The release from human responsibility, just accepted in the realm. Just doing what is good and natural to us, without the scheming and the hubris. |
| # Posted 2008-04-27 09:35:22 | |
| Yukon King: | hmm, I get that, it's like a camping vacation or like a mini-problem that CAN be solved...uh, OK, camping similarities - a microcosm of real life, where all you have to do is eat, sleep, wash yer face, & toddle around a bit, but it takes you all day, which is a really nice change, at least for a while...
this has been interesting... |
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