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| # Posted 2008-05-25 12:45:35 | |
| TheInvisibleLog: | Clearly travelling time is the big issue in attendance. I admit to being unenthusiastic about traveling all the way to Melbourne for continental terrain. So I could understand far fewer than 220 wanting to travel the same distance in reverse for continental terrain. But its not always continental terrain up here.
I see an inevitable division growing between regional events and melbourne events with the price of oil still rising. |
| # Posted 2008-05-25 12:49:44 | |
| Uncle JiM: | It was only 160k from Bendigo, not to bad at all |
| # Posted 2008-05-25 13:23:15 | |
| TheInvisibleLog: | Quality divided by distance is a better metric ;-} |
| # Posted 2008-05-25 17:39:17 | |
| prez now retired: | Heck I hate agreeing with _________ but he may well be right about the division. |
| # Posted 2008-05-26 06:29:41 | |
| Bruce: | The State Series classification also contributed to the large turnout. A similar "Sunday Special" would not have attracted the same audience.
Attendance seems to be driven by event classification / travel distance. Terrain quality seems to impact enjoyment, but not necessarily attendance. |
| # Posted 2008-05-26 06:54:21 | |
| TheInvisibleLog: | It will be interesting then to see the attendance at the 'local event' at Kooyoora in a couple of weeks. Low classification, high quality terrain, high quality course setting (Jymbo). I think the time has long passed when SL classification was a guarantee of either form of quality. Is the attraction of SL the points, the company or the quality? We each perhaps have our own metric for this. My personal version is probably close to this:
((T*S)+.1C)/D where T = terrain quality (0=Mt Robertson, 1 = Pittwater) S = expected setting standard (1 = Jymbo etc, 0 = name withheld) C= classification (0 = club event, 1 = O-Ringen) D = distance in k divided by 100 The relationship between T and D is multiplicative. I learnt this after turning up to You Yangs expecting granite navigation a couple of years ago. There is a small weighting towards high classification events. Distance is important. The distance is how far extra you have to travel to the event, so when in Lithuania, it was obvious to go a little further to O-Ringen. But from Melbourne this year, no. This might explain my willingness to fly to Hobart for a TOS (lower than SL) event on Pittwater, but to choose running at Kooyoora on Sunday rather than orienteering. I think this confirms me as an experiential rather than competitive orienteer. What is your metric? |
| # Posted 2008-05-26 07:18:21 | |
| blairtrewin: | Suspect the new map was probably a factor too. |
| # Posted 2008-05-26 08:25:19 | |
| liggo: | In my metric the quality of course setting is probably a non-explanatory variable. However, 3 additional things that would influence my attendance include:
Q - Quality of map (Rob Plowright, Eric Andrews = 1, Paul Liggins = 0) C- temperature in centigrade - 0 degrees = 1, 40 degrees = 0 (which is why I don't go to Xmas 5 days) K - quality of competition - I'll be keener to go to a low key event on an average area if everyone will be there, rather than a great area if nobody else is turning up |
| # Posted 2008-05-26 08:38:24 | |
| TheInvisibleLog: | I'll have to revise my metric. New map does count. I admit to being influenced by Q though perhaps i unthinkingly included it in the terrain factor. Temperature also influences, although I think it is a parabolic function with a max at about 16 degrees. When you are as slow as I am, K isn't all that important. But KS (quality of social interaction) does matter, and includes opportunties to troll on AP afterwards. |
| # Posted 2008-05-26 08:54:40 | |
| Oxoman: | Don't forget the (1-R) (where R=probablity of reptiles) multiplier which minimises event attraction in summer for Australians, and all year for Kiwis. |
| # Posted 2008-05-26 09:37:01 | |
| Bruce: | My formula was actually talking about the average orienteer (rather than the ultra enthusiastic committed ones, which automatically invalidates __________).
We tested Q, T and S last year at the Kooyoora long weekend Monday event. Torgeir set some of the best courses of the year, runnable World Championship terrain and pre-marked maps. Hardly anyone turned up. Those who did enjoyed it thoroughly. The catch was that it was not a "State Series" event. |
| # Posted 2008-05-26 12:34:50 | |
| TheInvisibleLog: | Ban State League Events. I did argue that bendigo should forget SL events this year, but some in the club couldn't acceptthat and we ended up with a SL on Mosquito Creek.
As for Torgeirs event, I think the catch was two SL events on the days before. This time round its only the Sunday with SL. I am slightly intrigued by what will happen. |
| # Posted 2008-05-26 15:40:35 | |
| Oxoman: | I was surprised and disappointed that people apparently did not stay around for the third day. May have been deterred by the different format promised - a chasing start. Maybe were deterred by having to pay an extra night's accommodation fo what appeared to be a short day. cf Aust Relays on the last day of the Aust Champs carnivals. |
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