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| # Posted 2008-07-03 17:04:07 | |
| Alibongo: | That sure is a lot to think about... Life is what you make it, you only get one life so if you're not happy with what you're doing or achieving right now, then change it! Of course, it's not easy to change everything but you can if you try hard enough. One step at a time...
I do think it would be good for you to run with some faster buddies in a running club to speed you up as the current FVO posse being older are unlikely to push you to your limits. I can't think that having a Ferrari would enhance your life but one can dream... Go for it Rosco! |
| # Posted 2008-07-03 17:08:16 | |
| hel vino: | I sent you an email with some of the latest science-based training advice. I agree, go for it Rosco! But only if you really want to.. |
| # Posted 2008-07-03 17:24:42 | |
| Rosco: | ha ha I didn't mean I wanted a Ferrari, although incidentally I think that would enhance my life rather a lot. I meant that if I'm quite a fast runner, can I become a really fast runner? If I can, now is certainly the time... And the thing is, I like the FVO posse! Cheers |
| # Posted 2008-07-04 01:56:22 | |
| skyhigh: | Come out for a blast on the bike whilst you think about it... |
| # Posted 2008-07-04 15:06:15 | |
| forest gump: | There's some v fast & good young(ish) runners in Central Athletics (aside from the old Tos**er John McDonald). They'll give you a good doing week in week out. Tues & Thurs sessions at 7:15 at the uni. Derek Easton is the coach for the "men" and he (occasionally) goes O'ing. FraserP knows him v well.
Before I did Tri, got married, etc. etc. I was training with them regulalry. It was great. & there are loads of XC, road & track races every weekend if you want something different. Get involved before the XC season starts in earnest (in Sept.) and you'll be flying by the time the O'ing season starts in Feb Having said that if you want to do O'ing primarily then leaning to run even faster is NOT the way forward (I tried it and believe me it doesn't work). Sort of being able to O at the speed you can run before trying to run even faster (at the moment I've got a happy medium of sorts and make far less O'ing mistakes than I ever used to). What ever you decide..HAVE FUN |
| # Posted 2008-07-05 21:27:40 | |
| paw: | Firstly, I'm gobsmacked that you were doing quite so little training when you set your PB for the half. Not fair!
Secondly, the best way forward depends on whether you want to be good at orienteering, hill racing or setting 10k/half marathon times. I think you could improve a lot at orienteering without significantly altering the physical training side if you were to focus more on technique, race strategy and the like. Given your results in Sprint races so far, allied to your road and hill running performances, I could see you doing very well in Sprint, Middle and Relays in the UK. Lard, Helen and even li'l ole me could probably help with advice for doing this. If you want to run 10k's you should do what Will suggests and join a top running club. It may also help if you find a way of temporarily deactivating your brain for those long, tedious road runs. For hill running, do what you're doing now, but add in some sessions with the road boys (for raw speed) and some real hard days on the hills, ideally with fast hill running people (Ewan, Jamie Jr?) to toughen you up. Bottom line - you won't improve equally at all three, so it depends where you think your potential lies and what you enjoy doing the most. Out of the improvements you've made and the results you've had in the last 18 months, which have given you the most satisfaction and enjoyment? You've got a few years yet in which the improvements can still come relatively easily. Speaking from the other side of the hill, I'd say you should go for it while you still have the chance - one day you'll discover that no matter what training you do it can only decrease the rate at which you're slowing down! Carpe diem. |
| # Posted 2008-07-07 16:27:28 | |
| Tooms: | That last paragraph from Paw resonates all too soundly over here with me. Choose something, go for it while you can - then when you look back you'll always be able to say you gave that thing your best shot.
I'm an ancient 34yrs old and now am getting some understanding of what I used to tease 34yr olds about back "in The Day" when I was firing on all cylinders. Fortuantely I had a 3yr period of some great triathlon results and did all i could back then, and gave that focus away happily as a consequence. (don't mind me, I'm not stalking you but your log opened up in some weird way when I clicked on another orienteer's name a while back!!!) |
| # Posted 2008-07-07 17:24:06 | |
| Becks: | As for the marathon...I guess my experiences thus far (2 months into 4.5 build up) would suggest that mixing both marathon and o' training is pretty tough. You're clearly a far more natural runner than I am, but if you want a good time then mile after mile of road training is called for - hitting the speed required in terrain seems to give totally different demands on the muscles.
What's shocked me is just how far 26 road miles is! I've run 3 hours in terrain before but after 2 hours at just sub marathon pace on roads my legs feel completely screwed in exciting new ways I never dreamed of! Terrain is actually something pretty scary right now. Saying that, Nick Barrable and I imagine others have run marathons mid o' training, and I dunno what they'd say about their times versus their potential but it is possible. I sure wouldn't recommend it though! |
| # Posted 2008-07-07 17:29:59 | |
| Becks: | A quick google suggests Nick did the Stockholm marathon 2004 in 2.33 - sounds pretty good to me! Think it's in May so pretty much bang in the middle of O' season. |
| # Posted 2008-07-07 17:38:12 | |
| hel vino: | That was quite a hot day and Stockholm is not the fastest course (hilly) so I think Nick was definitely capable of sub 2:30 maybe even 2:25 but like Becky said that was off general orienteering training rather than specific marathon training, tho he did train x1 or x2 per week with Spårvægen who have very good distance runners. |
| # Posted 2008-07-10 14:33:00 | |
| Rosco: | Thanks for all the comments and encouragement - really helps to crystalize things in my mind. Plenty to think about on my wee foreign adventures. No one answered the big question though - how fast can I be? Perhaps that's because the only way to know is to do it - If is to be, it is up to me, to do it! |
| # Posted 2008-07-10 17:10:15 | |
| Jon X: | It is of course for you to prove but I think you can go a lot faster:
- you ran 34 for 10km and 76 for half-marathon last year off very little training - you have done pretty limited speedwork this year and still reduced 10km time quite a long way (and could well get down under 33 on the right course) - your 3km time has not come down as you hoped and in line with your 10km improvement, for me this suggests you have superior speed endurance compared to other and pretty decent basic speed, but also that sharpening that speed to improve over the shorter distances will help you get full benefit for that speed endurance. I think you should be able to run 32:30 for 10km (or faster - and I think you agree!). Coincidentally that time equates to 9:00 for 3km and 2:30 for marathon on our old favourite vdot, they wouldn't be bad targets! My suggestion would be to do some hard work on your 3km time (as you seem a lot closer to 32:30 for 10km than to 9:00 for 3km) and you might reap the benefits over the longer distances even more than expected. What do you reckon? |
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