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| # Posted 2006-01-17 01:17:56 | |
| Kat: | (1) you show off your scratches and bruises with pride
(2) You optimize your route choices to and from the supermarket (3) You contemplate moving to Sweden (4) You stand around after each race comparing results (5) You always have at least one O-map in the bathroom (6) You orient a street map of your town to the magnetic north, even if it means all the street names are upside down (7) When you begin doodling in a boring class, the doodles all look like contour lines and you feel a compulsion to add the tick mark showing which way is down (8) You hit the "refresh" button every 5 minutes while waiting for race splits to appear online. (9) You consider taping the shoelaces on your dress shoes (10) you start getting competitive about training volume on Attackpoint (11) You think that Gu makes a perfectly acceptable meal (12) You can recite your Sport Ident number from memory, but often have trouble remembering your phone number (13) You break out laughing when you realize your pile of dirty clothes looks like a dot knoll [Credit must be given when it is deserved: Boris came up with half of these (probably the better half).] Any other good ones? |
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| # Posted 2006-01-17 01:44:56 | |
| Cristina: | (14) While driving, you never actually get lost, you just make "x min mistakes". |
| # Posted 2006-01-17 02:21:18 | |
| urthbuoy: | - You own a one-piece O-suit that has people asking if you were on tour with Olivia Newton-John or MC Hammer.
- Somebody asks you how to work their GPS, and you launch in to a 20 minute tirade about how those things are useless for navigation. |
| # Posted 2006-01-17 02:46:42 | |
| jfredrickson: | Haha! I've definitely done that with GPS! |
| # Posted 2006-01-17 02:52:50 | |
| Ollie: | (17) You think there's nothing wrong with wearing clothes made up of 6 different colours.
(18) Your "ultimate embarrassment" is getting lost on the way to an event. |
| # Posted 2006-01-17 07:05:08 | |
| hammer: | >Somebody asks you how to work their GPS, and you launch in to a 20 minute tirade about how those things are useless for navigation.
Exactly! I've done that too. 19) You have your head upside down in the mall trying to orient the large neon store directory map. 20) You can't drive past open woods without saying "Oooh nice woods...that would make a great orienteering area" |
| # Posted 2006-01-17 07:06:46 | |
| hammer: | 21) You know exactly how many double paces it is from your house to the mail box, the grocery store, your kid's school, the neighbours house,.... |
| # Posted 2006-01-17 07:11:22 | |
| J$: | 21) You looked at all the people stuck on the interstate fleeing Houston, and wondered "Didn't they look on the map for a better route?"
22) When someone tries to give you directions to their house, you totally ignore them and say "Just tell me the address, I have a map and I can find my own way there". I also own some fine 1-piece suits (some of which have the required 6 colours), but they are for ski racing and not orienteering. They do, however, require the same amount of confidence in your manhood. |
| # Posted 2006-01-17 09:38:42 | |
| O Steve!: | You thumb your grocery checklist....... |
| # Posted 2006-01-17 10:27:40 | |
| Kat: | 23) You are no longer surprised at finding a control
24) At a new job, you actually look at the blueprint of your office floor. It's important to know all the possible route choices to the bathroom, right? 25) On a boring day at work, you draw a sprint-O course on your office floor blueprint. 26) You complain about people who park their huge mobile homes between two trees and announce they are "camping." |
| # Posted 2006-01-17 10:31:41 | |
| salal: | I once wrote these as "You know you are obsessed with orienteering when:"
- All of your white socks are no longer white or you buy grey or black socks so the dirt doesn’t show - Your room or office is strewn with recent maps that you have yet to file in your map filing system - A lot of what you own has an orienteering sticker on it - There is a bag on the floor you have yet to fully unpack from your most recent orienteering trip - Your car and/or a lot of your clothes have a distinct “orienteering smell” - You have started to recognize a distinct smell to your orienteering stuff, and it doesn’t come out in the wash -Your compass is one of your most prized possessions - You spend a lot of your time surfing random orienteering websites - You spend a lot of your time fantasizing meets you might go to in the future - You compare most life situations to orienteering problems |
| # Posted 2006-01-17 23:46:30 | |
| GregBalter: | 27) You read all of the above and find it funny, not disturbing. |
| # Posted 2006-01-17 23:48:32 | |
| Jerritt: | 28) Your child knows the words orienteering, course and compass before he/she is potty trained.
29) Any piece of paper your child sees with writing on it is a "map" 30) Any line your child draws is a "trail" Am I a bad parent? |
| # Posted 2006-01-18 00:37:07 | |
| jjcote: | 31) 0CAD is the only software graphics package you know how to use, so you do everything with it (e.g. make calendars). |
| # Posted 2006-01-18 01:58:03 | |
| hammer: | 32) Your child believes the three primary colours are lakes, fields, and out of bounds areas...
>Am I a bad parent? No... good parent... good parent! |
| # Posted 2006-01-18 02:37:56 | |
| blegg: | Ha! I used OCAD to format and print my graduation paperwork last term! (When you've got a presigned form, there's no better program for scanning in a template, placing text, and printing precisely to scale) |
| # Posted 2006-01-18 03:55:48 | |
| johncrowther: | 33) You've lived in your town less than 1 year, and can find your way round it better than people who've lived there all their lives
34) You go for a run with others in an area you don't know, and feel you have to look at a map afterwards to work out where you went (or even draw a map of where you went) 35) When travelling a long distance you think in terms of orienteering areas (not cities) that you drive past 36) (For recent Windows to Mac converts only) - You've kept that old Windows PC, but only for running all the orienteering software that only runs on Windows (eg OCAD, Catching Features) |
| # Posted 2006-01-18 08:58:23 | |
| cedarcreek: | 37) Whenever you drive by forest, you assess runnability. If it's white, you really want to run through it. |
| # Posted 2006-01-18 17:46:53 | |
| tonyf: | 38) Your five-year-old grandson draws you an O map for a birthday card. |
| # Posted 2006-01-19 00:56:57 | |
| Suzanne: | 39) You go running near a friend's house and run on trails and roads that they didn't know existed or never walked/ran/drove on before. |
| # Posted 2006-01-19 04:34:58 | |
| DragonFly: | 40) You draw magnetic north lines on your government topo maps. |
| # Posted 2006-01-19 08:00:41 | |
| iriharding: | 28 B) You, your wife and your kid (who isn't even potty trained yet) all feature regularly on attackpoint logs
3 AP folks in one household ...100% coverage by the Johnstons of MNOC in Mpls |
| # Posted 2006-01-19 08:24:58 | |
| thiesd: | >>Quote>> 21) You looked at all the people stuck on the interstate fleeing Houston, and wondered "Didn't they look on the map for a better route?"
we didn't have a choice the cops were ticketting anybody that didnt go the way directed by them.9 ithink they where a also ordered shoot to kill) and during that time i did find a ruopte that saved my car about three hours on nothing but orienteering intuition |
| # Posted 2006-01-19 10:13:31 | |
| pfc: | 41) A few days later you dream about a course you recently ran (I won't say whether for better or for worse!)
42) You've abandoned clothes in a hotel room after the meet. 43) You think nothing of driving for 16 hours in order to run around in a strange place for 90 minutes. 44) Your child can read the IOF symbols before they can read the "beginner" clue sheets. |
| # Posted 2006-01-19 13:30:43 | |
| ebone: | 45) The squares in the quilt on your bed look like control markers.
46) When you babysit, you often take the child(ren) orienteering. Bonus points if it's on a map you made. I also embody these: >20) You can't drive past open woods without saying "Oooh nice woods...that would make a great orienteering area" >22) When someone tries to give you directions to their house, you totally ignore them and say "Just tell me the address, I have a map and I can find my own way there" > 31) 0CAD is the only software graphics package you know how to use, so you do everything with it (e.g. make calendars). [although I'm learning a couple other programs now.] |
| # Posted 2006-01-20 18:58:41 | |
| tonyf: | 45a) The squares in the quilt on your bed ARE control markers. |
| # Posted 2006-01-20 20:10:39 | |
| ndobbs: | 47) you have removed moss and/or ferns from between your butt-cheeks
48) taking a communal dump with people you don't know no longer seems weird 49) taking a communal dump with people you do know no longer seems weird |
| # Posted 2006-01-20 20:24:55 | |
| Sergey: | 50!
50) You know that 'orienteer' is a person who participates in orienteering sport not some distant object. And you know how to spell both! |
| # Posted 2006-01-20 20:47:20 | |
| Cristina: | Neil, what kind of meets do you go to? I think I've been missing out. |
| # Posted 2006-01-20 21:08:06 | |
| vmeyer: | Along Neil's thread - 51) You have a whole set of orienteering undies - that brown stain from slidding down a hill will never come out! And let's not talk about the color of the socks! |
| # Posted 2006-01-20 22:13:24 | |
| pkturner: | 52) A weather forecast of storm, wind, and flood for the weekend reminds you of a fun time you once had in the woods. |
| # Posted 2006-01-20 23:32:51 | |
| Ollie: | (53) "mins/km" replaces mph as your standard unit of speed. For everything. |
| # Posted 2006-01-21 02:06:36 | |
| Cristina: | man, i should start talking to the pilots like that. "pilot, fly indicated airspeed of .25 mins/km". they'd freak out. |
| # Posted 2006-10-12 07:54:36 | |
| upnorthguy: | Found it. |
| # Posted 2006-10-12 12:11:45 | |
| TheInvisibleLog: | I think I can tick 27 of 54. An exact 50%. Do I pass? Am I an orienteer? |
| # Posted 2006-10-12 15:08:26 | |
| Jagge: | 54) When you selected your honeymoon trip destination, the selection was based purely on O-maps and terrains. |
| # Posted 2006-10-12 17:14:15 | |
| MrMoosehead: | 55) You wear Lyrca when you really shouldn't..
56) You don't immediately think its a Clown Hunt when you see hundreds of people in bright coloured clothes running around the fells in the rain. |
| # Posted 2006-10-12 18:22:55 | |
| Jerritt: | 57) You have to harvest the plants that grew in your backyard from the burrs you picked off your clothes. |
| # Posted 2006-10-12 18:53:46 | |
| Natasha: | You found out how to get your revenge on stingning neddles.
-Boil them & eat them like spinach |
| # Posted 2006-10-12 19:09:57 | |
| speedy: | Actually it tastes pretty good:) |
| # Posted 2006-10-12 21:04:41 | |
| Sergey: | 59) You are preoccupied with intricacies of World Ranking Event statistical calculations most of your day time. And during night you would wake up with eureka scream finding one more genius scheme how to trick it.
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| # Posted 2006-10-12 21:20:04 | |
| AZ: | A friend of mine who's wife doesn't orienteer told me this (really)...
69) My fantasy is that my wife will wear a thumb compass when we make love |
| # Posted 2006-10-12 21:44:11 | |
| Cristina: | Okay, that's a thread-killer if I've ever seen one. |
| # Posted 2006-10-12 22:39:44 | |
| div: | to navigate bodyscape? |
| # Posted 2006-10-12 22:58:36 | |
| Gil: | to take a bearing which way to... ahmm... go? |
| # Posted 2006-10-12 23:33:52 | |
| jjcote: | Those SI dipsticks work pretty well if you wear them... never mind. |
| # Posted 2006-10-13 00:20:06 | |
| Cristina: | 10 points for J-J. |
| # Posted 2006-10-13 00:51:13 | |
| div: | but thumb compass could be more exciting |
| # Posted 2006-10-13 05:07:58 | |
| emilyr: | 60) When all the shirts you own are from o-meets |
| # Posted 2006-10-13 06:35:13 | |
| smittyo: | 61) You use costume dress-up days as an excuse to wear your O-suit.
So far I've done this twice this school year. Once was for "Extreme Sports" dress up day and the other.... yup - "Pajama Day" |
| # Posted 2006-10-13 06:58:19 | |
| MeanGene: | 62. Your son isn't even 1 year old and take a photo of him by a marker and say he's in the M-0 category.
63 - Think road running as borienteering. |
| # Posted 2006-10-13 07:05:53 | |
| Cristina: | 64. You take pictures of a stuffed elephant doing things that orienteers do. |
| # Posted 2006-10-13 07:23:45 | |
| Clara: | < 64. You take pictures of a stuffed elephant doing things that orienteers do.
Or inflatable penguin...Ingrid, Vic schools team mascot in 2002 |
| # Posted 2006-10-13 17:21:49 | |
| Acampbell: | 65.- you get a compass necklace for a graduation present and you've never take if off. |
| # Posted 2006-10-13 17:41:21 | |
| furlong47: | 66) You have a full-sized control as part of your home decor (mine hangs from the dresser)
67) People at work no longer need to ask "What happened to you?" when you come to work covered in scratches/gashes/bruises on Monday... because they already know 68) You keep a map in your car in order to explain to strangers about orienteering |
| # Posted 2006-10-13 17:58:07 | |
| kofols: | 69) When you finally self-made your own o-web page and updating it constantly.
70) When you buy shoes without trying it. |
| # Posted 2006-10-13 18:21:30 | |
| TheInvisibleLog: | 71) When AttackPoint is your browser home page. |
| # Posted 2006-10-13 19:40:56 | |
| Natasha: | 72) When a teacher calls home or asks you directly if everything is allright because of all the gashes you have on your arms. |
| # Posted 2006-10-13 20:38:26 | |
| Acampbell: | 73) if you always have attackpoint or other o-ing web sites up. and have gotten yelled at by teacher for checking them in class. |
| # Posted 2006-10-14 01:40:44 | |
| Ricka: | 74) When the nurse doing your history is concerned about the scars near both wriists. She accepts the O' explanation when she notices, "You have scars all over your arms."
75) When you get criticized by a student for paying to much attention to O-sites during class :) |
| # Posted 2006-10-14 02:02:12 | |
| Rosstopher: | 76) you actually use the split function on your watch
77) the biggest celebrity you know is Marc Lauenstein 78) when meeting new people, learning their name is not as important as learning their Attackpoint handle 79) your friends say "that's for sure" in a passable Pers Forsberg impersonation, having picked it up from you 80) you are really good at seeing orange things in your peripheral vision |
| # Posted 2006-10-14 02:03:45 | |
| j-man: | He is running so good today! That's for sure. |
| # Posted 2006-10-14 02:05:38 | |
| hammer: | >79) your friends say "that's for sure" in a passable Pers Forsberg impersonation, having picked it up from you
So after his announcing at NAOC, does NevMonster have a future as North America's version of Per F.? |
| # Posted 2006-10-14 02:44:12 | |
| Cristina: | I think I only heard, "he's too late!" once at NAOC, and that's just not enough. That's for sure. |
| # Posted 2006-10-14 03:22:33 | |
| div: | 81) ...when you know who Pers Forsberg is... |
| # Posted 2006-10-14 04:35:44 | |
| Barbie: | >81) ...when you know who Pers Forsberg is...
That's for sure |
| # Posted 2006-10-14 04:37:30 | |
| div: | no questions asked |
| # Posted 2006-10-14 16:12:27 | |
| Charlie: | 82) On the spur of the moment you show up at a local meet across the country in a place you've never been, and the first ten people you see are all people you know. |
| # Posted 2006-10-14 20:24:24 | |
| Tundra/Desert: | ... and isn't that sad? the all the people that you know part. |
| # Posted 2006-10-15 01:00:37 | |
| Acampbell: | 83) When you go to IKEA and one you never get lost. two you find at lest 5 things that reminds you of orienteering. |
| # Posted 2006-10-15 05:09:34 | |
| emilyr: | 84) When you decorate your Christmas tree wiht mini o-controls. |
| # Posted 2006-10-15 05:53:54 | |
| sare: | >66) You have a full-sized control as part of your home decor (mine hangs from the dresser)
Mine is my lampshade and makes the room glow orange when it's dark and the only light on. |
| # Posted 2006-10-15 09:28:21 | |
| JimBaker: | Of course, that's what they call control markers in Sweden...how apropos. |
| # Posted 2006-10-16 21:06:27 | |
| Sergey: | 85) When your wife stops asking people on the street for directions instead relying on you and a copy of the map printed off the Internet. Actually it is, probably, the best sign that you moved to "elite" orienteering category :) |
| # Posted 2006-10-16 23:00:13 | |
| ndobbs: | tell thomas bührer that! |
| # Posted 2006-10-17 00:40:53 | |
| Gil: | >85) When your wife stops asking people on the street for directions instead relying on you and a copy of the map printed off the Internet. Actually it is, probably, the best sign that you moved to "elite" orienteering category :)
I do ask for directions in situations when I feel I am close enough to my final destination but for one or another reason I did not "spiked" and I figure that local person could get me to the final destination faster then me trying to relocate on the map. |
| # Posted 2006-10-17 02:37:02 | |
| Adam: | 86)You get a cramp in your neck while driving south because you had to turn your head upside too many times to read the city names. (Or you're too good for that and don't have to read the city names to know where you are) |
| # Posted 2006-10-17 06:57:34 | |
| MeanGene: | 84a) When you decorate your Christmas tree with control punches. . . |
| # Posted 2006-10-17 18:47:32 | |
| IndyBass: | 87) ...you draw an O-map (using OCAD) of your house and yard. Then you teach your five-year-old to use the map to find baseballs hidden around the property. Extra credit if the map is ISSOM-compliant (mine is not :). |
| # Posted 2006-10-17 18:56:43 | |
| maprunner: | 87) you draw a map of your house.....
We "hired" Swampfox to make our map, then held a local meet on it, using only punches. |
| # Posted 2006-10-17 19:10:07 | |
| Bash: | Our 10-acre property is currently being mapped to sprint standards in anticipation of a club BBQ night. |
| # Posted 2006-10-17 19:58:16 | |
| Sergey: | 88) When running in shoes with couple holes is fine if outsole is still intact (especially if it is wet outside since everything you are wearing will be wet soon anyway). Just put couple layers of duct tape and off you go!
89) When running in the woods during rain does not seem strange anymore. Contrary you found some pleasure in pre-soaking before venturing into woods. 90) When the only wild creature you are afraid of is called "attack badger" since you already have met bears, wolfs, moose, wild pigs, kangaroos, and deers and they ALL ran scared from you. |
| # Posted 2006-10-17 20:22:35 | |
| JimBaker: | Mmmm...you haven't run into bison yet... |
| # Posted 2006-10-17 20:32:30 | |
| Cristina: | Shouldn't that be, "yum, you haven't run into bison yet...yum!" |
| # Posted 2006-10-17 21:20:29 | |
| DHemer: | 91) The only shoes you own are those you use for orienteering
92) You have more clothes you run orienteering in that you have other clothes 93) You would rather run across open land or through forest than on a perfectally usable road (not in a race) |
| # Posted 2006-10-17 21:56:56 | |
| jjcote: | 90a) You aren't exactly afraid of ticks, but they do concern you... on a regular basis. |
| # Posted 2006-10-18 00:48:08 | |
| Adam: | 91)you aren't that afraid of "getting lost" any more; all it will do is slow you down. |
| # Posted 2006-10-18 01:23:37 | |
| cedarcreek: | 90b) You've looked into getting vaccinated for Tick-Borne Encephalitis (TBE), even though neither the disease nor the vaccine exists on your continent. |
| # Posted 2006-10-18 01:28:00 | |
| Bash: | 90c) On second thought, maybe you ARE afraid of ticks. |
| # Posted 2006-10-18 01:36:37 | |
| cedarcreek: | My point wasn't to be alarmist, worrrying about TBE in North America, but because of competitions one might go to in TBE-prone areas. |
| # Posted 2006-10-18 01:43:10 | |
| Bash: | And that includes a good chunk of Europe, so it's worth reading about it. Weren't people supposed to get this vaccine for the World Cup in Estonia? How did they get it if it's not available in North America? |
| # Posted 2006-10-18 01:48:52 | |
| Tundra/Desert: | Indeed the only woods creatures I am still scared of are ticks. Have been through a bear encounter and (quite possibly) a mt. lion encounter, and lived to tell with all organs intact. Not so lucky with ticks. |
| # Posted 2006-10-18 01:55:08 | |
| Cristina: | You lost an organ to a tick? Or you just have a less-functioning organ because of a tick? |
| # Posted 2006-10-18 01:56:58 | |
| ebone: | Too bad the tick couldn't have given you super powers, like in a comic book. |
| # Posted 2006-10-18 01:58:32 | |
| ebone: | Or you just have a less-functioning organ because of a tick?
Tick-borne ED. It's no laughing matter. |
| # Posted 2006-10-18 01:58:54 | |
| Tundra/Desert: | It is the latter which is slowly transforming into the former. The organ is the left ear (hair cells, to be exact). I was so so super lucky it didn't do anything to my joints. Else life wouldn't be so pretty nowdays.
So, my point is—the smaller the lifeform, the more hazardous. Attack badgers rate fairly low; for all we know about them (firsthand from Swampfox at least), these are about the size of a cow, so can't be that bad for you. |
| # Posted 2006-10-18 01:59:21 | |
| randy: | Indeed the only woods creatures I am still scared of are ticks.
I'm scared of the primates in certain North American locales ... |
| # Posted 2006-10-18 02:01:35 | |
| Tundra/Desert: | Oh, those are super friendly as long as you're packing, too. |
| # Posted 2006-10-18 02:34:54 | |
| JimBaker: | Personal Taser(TM), on the market soon... :-(
Of course, when cokeheads are in the White House not just your neighbourhood and foyer and parkade, are you ever safe? |
| # Posted 2006-10-18 03:49:43 | |
| Acampbell: | yeah i'm now only scared of tickes although i have gotten a little less scared of them since i got limes disesase for the second time.
oh no never mind i'm scared of snakes as well!! |
| # Posted 2006-10-18 08:39:52 | |
| bishop22: | 87a) ...you draw an O-map (using OCAD) of your house and yard. But your 10-year-old ignores that map and draws one freehand, so he can set a course for your 5-year-old (using the pint-sized training controls you picked up last spring).
95 - S'fox took 94) You can't hold back any longer and design a "Tan" (Brown length / White level) course for the local high school Cross Country team, for a leisurely workout the day before a race. But it backfires because you're out of town and your 9th-grade son runs the course to set the controls, then runs it again with his friends, giving him over an hour of running on the day before the last league meet of the year. |
| # Posted 2006-10-18 08:42:03 | |
| furlong47: | I'm only scared of spiders *shudder* and those thousand-legger things (but you don't normally see them in the woods)
I guess I'm lucky in that I hardly ever get bitten by ticks, mosquitoes, or other insects, even if everyone else is covered in bites. So I'm not scared of them. Maybe I have bitter blood. I also don't get any type of poison. |
| # Posted 2006-10-18 10:37:12 | |
| Gil: | 95 - S'fox took 94) You can't hold back any longer and design a "Tan" (Brown length / White level) course for the local high school Cross Country team, for a leisurely workout the day before a race. But it backfires because you're out of town and your 9th-grade son runs the course to set the controls, then runs it again with his friends, giving him over an hour of running on the day before the last league meet of the year.
Depends how you measure success. Maybe your 9th-grader was too tired for the next day race but if you get any x-country converts... maybe it was worth the effort.. |
| # Posted 2006-10-18 18:48:33 | |
| Gil: | 20) You can't drive past open woods without saying "Oooh nice woods...that would make a great orienteering area"
I do that too.. but I also often wonder how long it is going to take for builders to move in and build highly priced private properties. |
| # Posted 2006-10-18 18:48:38 | |
| Adam: | 96)you spend your spare time thinking of strange things that orienteers do. |
| # Posted 2006-10-18 22:05:27 | |
| DHemer: | too right adam too right |
| # Posted 2006-10-19 02:59:36 | |
| Acampbell: | 97) you ask your principle to see the floor plan of your new high school so you can plan your routes between classes. you look for 5 mins and you already have them memorized. then you are always the last one out of class and the first one to the next becuase of your great routes to and from classes. |
| # Posted 2006-10-19 03:12:59 | |
| fthfl stwrd rudy: | 98) your glad you have a sinus infection, because it gives you an excuse to wander in the woods without feeling guilty. 'well, as long as i'm sick, and cant get anything done, i might as well...' |
| # Posted 2006-10-19 03:15:12 | |
| TheInvisibleLog: | 99) You spend far too much time on attack point.
Lets kill this before we get to 100. It doesn't look good to normal human beings. |
| # Posted 2006-10-19 03:23:57 | |
| div: | "99) It doesn't look good to normal human beings.."
100) if it looks normal for you - than you are in |
| # Posted 2006-10-19 03:35:12 | |
| 20_of_70: | I think none of these are repeats...
101) the word rogaine doesn't conjure up images of balding men 102) the uppers of your shoes wear out before the bottoms 103) someone at your marathon training group comments on your "very old shoes" that you just bought brand new last week 104) you switch from latin to smooth dance competitions to better hide your bruised/scratched legs (long vs short dress for women) 105) your photo appears in the SDO Handrail (or insert local O-club newsletter here) 106) you've been featured on the cover of ONA 107) you know what ONA stands for 108) you say "an a meet" and you're not stuttering 109) you hear "SI", you immediately think "yes!" yet don't know a bit of Spanish 110) your grammar are slightly off and you don't know why 111) someone passes you on a college campus, shouts "Jaywalker!" at you and you think, "no I moved up to M21 last year" 112) your favorite chumbawumba song is not Tubthumping 113) you associate badgers with wyoming more than wisconsin 114) no one can tell what brand of shoe you're wearing because they're so heavily covered in duct tape 115) you wear gaiters with shorts |
| # Posted 2006-10-19 05:13:50 | |
| Jerritt: | 116) You shout "re-entrant" at seemingly random times in the car.
117) You think choosing which lane to go down at the the grocery store is a route choice. |
| # Posted 2006-10-19 07:04:35 | |
| Gil: | ... It doesn't look good to normal human beings.
I had similar thought... Many of orienteering observations are true and funny and I can relate... however more I read this I will try to say this politely as possibly... There is life outside orienteering as well... |
| # Posted 2006-10-19 10:04:40 | |
| JimBaker: | There is life outside orienteering as well...
Yeah, but no attack badgers. |
| # Posted 2006-10-19 10:44:38 | |
| Jagge: | 109 b) you hear "SI", you immediately think "No!".
No matter how good your Spanish skills are. |
| # Posted 2006-10-19 21:20:06 | |
| bubo: | 109 b) you hear "SI", you immediately think "No!".
I can understand your reactions... ;) |
| # Posted 2006-10-20 07:55:46 | |
| b0be: | 110) While making your post event visit to the Emergency Room they take one look at you and ask, "Do you feel safe at home?"
(This really happened after the 2005, Buena Vista portion of the Colorado 5-Days.) 111) After your visit to the ER, you return to compete the next day. |
| # Posted 2006-10-20 12:40:53 | |
| liggo: | 112. The thing you fear most in life is the control description "Pit, overgrown, inside" |
| # Posted 2006-10-20 17:39:04 | |
| Sswede: | 113. When you hava a Wedding "O" the day before the real wedding to prove to your friends and family that the sport really exists.
114. When the 4 tier wedding cake is to made to look like an O map, contours and all 115. When you look forward to doing naked "tick checks" on your spouse after events (after the shower of course!). |
| # Posted 2006-10-21 00:08:49 | |
| mikeminium: | 116. When you continue to go orienteering after doing a face-plant on a granite boulder during a sprint race, including enduring the following comments: The medic at the finish, whom you've known for years, looks at you and says "Who is this?" Someone says "Mike!" and she replies "Mike who?". Then, when you get to the ER, the doc takes one look at you and says "This is beyond me -- I'm going to make some phone calls". True story - Wyoming '04. |
| # Posted 2006-10-21 00:28:30 | |
| sare: | 117) when doodling in a boring class you make imaginary map samples of terrain you like to orienteer in. |
| # Posted 2006-10-21 02:09:45 | |
| JanetT: | 118. You race for nearly an hour on a leg broken in two places so as not to let down your team. (No, not me!) Article |
| # Posted 2006-10-21 02:21:18 | |
| Acampbell: | wow that is encredable i would never have been able to do that!!! |
| # Posted 2006-10-21 02:36:43 | |
| 20_of_70: | > wow that is encredable i would never have been able to do that!!!
118b. You admire someone for racing on a broken leg. |
| # Posted 2006-10-21 23:09:20 | |
| mnipen: | 119) When you are drving to somewhere, you don't admire the nice houses, the people, mountains etc. but the terrain you are looking at outside your window. |
| # Posted 2006-10-23 07:19:34 | |
| Janus: | ooh brave kid. I don't think I'd be able to do that...
120) you do a permanent o-course for X-Country practice, and come back with an updated map and the CORRECTED control locations on your school map |
| # Posted 2006-10-26 02:52:29 | |
| Acampbell: | 121) you walk 800 or so meters into the woods just to take this picture
122) when you look at your pumpkin and vanilla ice cream and think "oh cool my ice cream looks like an o-ing flag" |
| # Posted 2006-10-26 05:28:00 | |
| Barbie: | 123) you don't know how to spell encredable but you know how to spell orienteering |
| # Posted 2006-10-26 06:04:38 | |
| Acampbell: | 123a) how about you don't know how to spell many words but know how to spell almost anything that has to do with orienteering. |
| # Posted 2006-10-26 06:21:30 | |
| jjcote: | Isn't it "encroièble"? |
| # Posted 2006-10-26 08:09:53 | |
| Torgeir: | 124) you eat oatmeal porridge for breakfast every day. |
| # Posted 2006-10-26 09:07:40 | |
| creamer: | "123) you don't know how to spell encredable but you know how to spell orienteering"
-- now thats a bit of a stretch. "123a) how about you don't know how to spell many words but know how to spell almost anything that has to do with orienteering." thats a little closer, re-entrant is a tricky word, as is OCAD |
| # Posted 2006-10-26 14:16:57 | |
| Torgeir: | 125) you take tran* every morning.
*cod-liver oil or fish oil -not in capsules but in liquid form |
| # Posted 2006-10-26 16:23:12 | |
| Adam: | BTW-its spelled "incredible". |
| # Posted 2006-10-26 18:03:57 | |
| cjross: | But actual fish oil tastes better than the capsules anyways. Especially if you get the lemon flavoured stuff, which is quite nice. |
| # Posted 2006-10-26 20:01:02 | |
| cedarcreek: | 123b) You call it OCAD to everyone except J-J, to whom you use 0CAD, to be polite. |
| # Posted 2006-10-27 06:24:36 | |
| Torgeir: | 126) cjross: you are without doubt an orienteer when you make a statement like that… that stuff is nasty, the lemon only makes it worse by attempting to mask the totally revolting taste. |
| # Posted 2006-10-27 08:55:45 | |
| creamer: | 127 - You are glad to spend more than $30 on a compass. Especially one that is really no good for simple navigation (spectra). |
| # Posted 2006-11-02 05:42:23 | |
| ceira: | when you pass the time on the toilet by picking little black splinters out of your thighs |
| # Posted 2006-11-18 02:27:53 | |
| Sergey: | 128) You find it entertaining to talk about race enhancing qualities of regular multi-bottle wine consumption and do it with some skepticism. Though somewhere deep inside you feel that it must be right. |
| # Posted 2006-11-18 18:22:05 | |
| bubo: | (...or at least a map freak)
when you find this kind of thing amusing... |
| # Posted 2006-11-18 18:56:47 | |
| jjcote: | The alphabet seems to be pretty heavy on Tucson, AZ. I don't know if it says something about me or not that I immediately recognized one of the buildings (not in Tucson). |
| # Posted 2006-11-19 06:46:50 | |
| JimBaker: | And fittingly enough a Calgary building is the C. (I didn't recognize it, even though I worked about a mile from there, and have a dentist even closer...but it's in a nondescript industrial area I rarely visit.)
I'm guessing that JJ recognized the O? (which is part of the Smithsonian Museum (Hirshhorn Museum and Sculpture Garden...modern art) near the Mall). Seems like finding images on Google Earth or Google maps is becoming a big passtime. Some place in the east of Alberta made the news recently because it looks like a person wearing headphones. (Yeah, it's a slow news period here, and there are lots of geologists here that I suspect like looking at landforms almost as much as we do.) |
| # Posted 2006-11-19 06:56:35 | |
| furlong47: | >when you pass the time on the toilet by picking little black splinters out of your thighs
When the little bump that has been above your knee for months goes all funky and turns out to be a small abscess with a *thorn* inside of it. Yuck! |
| # Posted 2006-11-19 07:57:19 | |
| jjcote: | Yep, it was the Hirschhorn. |
| # Posted 2006-11-19 22:59:06 | |
| Cristina: | I don't know if it says something about me or not that I immediately recognized one of the buildings (not in Tucson).
And I recognized the Tucson N, which is sort of disturbing. (It's on the U of A campus.) |
| # Posted 2006-11-23 02:53:39 | |
| GrahamE: | When your o-shoes smell like.......well, just about everything!! |
| # Posted 2006-11-23 03:21:14 | |
| evancuster: | 129- When you keep postponing that business trip you have to make across the country until an A meet nearby is going to take place the weekend before your visit. |
| # Posted 2006-11-23 03:29:53 | |
| tomwcarr: | You inexplicably find random bits of orange surveyor's tape in your underwear drawer. |
| # Posted 2006-11-23 07:59:06 | |
| Cristina: | Tom, that's never happened to me. I think that's something you need to keep to yourself. |
| # Posted 2006-11-23 15:54:50 | |
| Adam: | >>When your o-shoes smell like.......well, just about everything!!
When you have O-shoes. |
| # Posted 2006-11-23 22:20:14 | |
| div: | 130 - you have o-shoes
131 - you know what it is "o-shoes" |
| # Posted 2006-11-24 02:13:41 | |
| jjcote: | I just went out to the garage and counted -- there seem to be eight pairs, in varying levels of serviceability. |
| # Posted 2006-11-24 21:05:54 | |
| Sergey: | 132) When you keep one o-shoe left from a pair but still "good" in hope to find matching one in future.
133) When your racing o-shoes last at most one season. They would last even less if not to smart duct tape usage. |
| # Posted 2006-11-25 05:26:56 | |
| JimBaker: | I expect to be down to eight pair, after filtering stuff out before the move.
Duct taping of shoes is one O skill I need to improve...mine always falls off quickly in the first race. Maybe I should heat it to get it to stick better. |
| # Posted 2006-11-28 05:19:37 | |
| furlong47: | 134) When you have more purple and red ink pens/markers in your desk for drawing courses, than you do black or blue ones |
| # Posted 2006-11-28 05:36:25 | |
| vmeyer: | Try Gorilla Tape - the "toughest" tape. I taped my foot with it one time, and I couldn't cut if off afterwards. Well, I did eventually, but it wasn't easy... |
| # Posted 2006-11-29 00:25:49 | |
| BorisGr: | Why were you trying to cut off your foot? |
| # Posted 2006-11-29 05:44:41 | |
| vmeyer: | Because I taped it on backwards? |
| # Posted 2006-11-29 07:37:05 | |
| DRoss: | 135 When you have an orienteering thingy dangling from your rear view mirror.
136 When you hide old orienteering magazines so that your spouse doesn't toss them out 137 When you feel like a professional journalist when you write a small article for your local orienteering newsletter 138 When most of the everyday mugs or glasses in your cupboard are prizes from orienteering events |
| # Posted 2006-11-29 08:02:54 | |
| fossil: | When you have an orienteering thingy dangling from your rear view mirror.
My wife does this in her car. One time a friend asked me "What's that thing? Part of a cult or something?" I started thinking about how to answer and finally just said "Yeah, something like that." |
| # Posted 2006-11-29 17:57:09 | |
| Maryann: | I told a friend it was a secret sign so "we" could recognize each other as we're trying to blend into the general population on weekdays. |
| # Posted 2006-12-30 04:25:18 | |
| cedarcreek: | 139) ...when you've tried playing Catching Features on a laptop mounted to the the console of a treadmill, and succeeded. And then you worried that you'd get sweat on the keyboard, and stopped. |
| # Posted 2006-12-30 04:48:55 | |
| Cristina: | 140. When you've seriously considered developing a solution to the problem described in 139. |
| # Posted 2006-12-30 04:49:52 | |
| div: | 140.a) ... when you are using duct tape to preserve laptop's keyboard from sweat while running on treadmill and playing CF... |
| # Posted 2006-12-31 02:23:58 | |
| hkleaf: | can't you just put down a layer of clear plastic/wrap (e.g. saran wrap) on your keyboard to make it sweat/water proof? I know, it's not nice looking by any means, but it should be functional. |
| # Posted 2006-12-31 02:39:27 | |
| div: | what you think duct tape is for? |
| # Posted 2007-01-01 03:45:53 | |
| glennon: | 141. When your kids think it's normal to find Xmas presents by using OCAD maps of the interior of your house |
| # Posted 2007-01-01 20:25:04 | |
| Bash: | Clear plastic wrap works. 'Bent uses it on his keyboard and mouse next to the dental chair. |
| # Posted 2007-01-01 22:25:42 | |
| Barbie: | What? he plays CF while cleaning people's teeth? Shhhheeshhh |
| # Posted 2007-01-29 16:19:46 | |
| dcady: | 142. When your kids have a sitter named Amy and they give her the nickname "A-meet". |
| # Posted 2007-01-29 19:09:07 | |
| Sergey: | 143. When to be named "real elitist" you have to prove that you did O races in at least 30 USA states, 7 Canadian provinces, and 15 countries around the world. |
| # Posted 2007-01-30 02:45:46 | |
| sgb: | 145) You only own sports socks and every one of them has thorns in it. Even after washing. |
| # Posted 2007-01-30 03:23:08 | |
| Acampbell: | 146) all your socks are still brown even after many washes. and not just your orienteering socks but the other socks that acidently got put in the wash with your o-ing stuff. |
| # Posted 2007-01-30 03:26:13 | |
| BorisGr: | SGB, is there a good reason why your #145 follows directly after #143? |
| # Posted 2007-01-30 03:38:05 | |
| dcady: | 147. You are lucky enough to get tickets to see the Sabres play the Leafs and you can't help but wonder if Teppo Numminen and Mats Sundin also know how to orienteer. |
| # Posted 2007-01-30 04:06:15 | |
| dlevine: | 148. You don't worry about 145 following 143 because you assume it was a "Billygoat skip".
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| # Posted 2007-01-30 05:17:05 | |
| hammer: | 147b. You watch the Sabres and the Leafs play hockey on TV and wonder if (on some nights) their teams would be better off if Teppo Numminen and Mats Sundin were orienteering instead. |
| # Posted 2007-01-30 06:07:29 | |
| Ricka: | 148.
Your colleague's (John Coburn) new Trigonometry text includes word problems with contour diagrams ("Find the slope...") because of all the times he's heard my post-race analyses. |
| # Posted 2007-01-30 13:03:58 | |
| Suzanne: | 149. When teaching slope to your high school pre-calc class you brought in several of your orienteering maps and had them calculate the slope from point to point. The bonus question was determining the slope of an impassible cliff. |
| # Posted 2007-01-30 19:55:50 | |
| Sergey: | Boris, I will add to the missing number.
144. When your weight is not in kg but rather in Gs or Ks (founding father has his following too :). Please continue with #150... |
| # Posted 2007-01-31 02:22:26 | |
| Highlander: | 150. Taking your new girlfriend (who is not already an orienteer) to a local orienteering meet is a perfectly acceptable date. |
| # Posted 2007-03-23 07:38:17 | |
| cedarcreek: | 151) ...when you keep some flagging tape around:
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| # Posted 2007-03-23 08:23:01 | |
| Acampbell: | Wait there is BLUE AND GREEN flagging tape? when did that happen and were was I? I've never seen that before. |
| # Posted 2007-03-23 08:51:41 | |
| jjcote: | I use blue all the time. Electric blue is my first choice. Green has a tendency to get lost in foliage, though. |
| # Posted 2007-03-23 16:50:15 | |
| dlevine: | I agree with electric blue, but that blue, combined with the apparent white stripes also seems like it should be pretty easy to lose...
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| # Posted 2007-03-23 17:41:07 | |
| Acampbell: | I have never seen the blue or green before. We tend to use pink or orange here. |
| # Posted 2007-03-23 18:04:50 | |
| jjcote: | Available in just about any color you'd like, including various stripe combinations. |
| # Posted 2007-03-23 21:04:45 | |
| Cristina: | And even available in a biodegradable variety! Which I think is absolute genius. |
| # Posted 2007-03-23 21:27:39 | |
| Sergey: | 152. When flagging tape colors sparkle amused discussion among the group of O enthusiasts and you are part of this group. |
| # Posted 2007-03-23 21:33:15 | |
| jjcote: | Or maybe one might know about flagging tape because it's widely used to delineate wetland areas, and one might be on his town's conservation commission. |
| # Posted 2007-03-23 21:43:20 | |
| feet: | You do conservation by hanging pieces of nonbiodegradable trash in the woods? |
| # Posted 2007-03-23 21:51:35 | |
| Swampfox: | Flagging tape definitely degrades. Just try hanging some out to mark control locations 6 months out, and see what you find when you come back 6 months later to hang the controls. Barbed wire is much sturdier than flagging tape, but even it degrades--slowly, unless an orienteer strikes it, in which case it still degrades slowly while the orienteer degrades quickly. |
| # Posted 2007-03-23 21:53:51 | |
| jjcote: | We don't hang it. Wetlands specialists hang it, and we're given a map showing where all the numbered bits of ribbon are. I'm particularly well qualified to use the map in order to find the ribbons. I guess in theory, once the project is complete and a Certificate of Compliance has been issued, the owner/applicant could go out and remove them all. But in practice, it would probably be pretty hard to find any still out there at that point. I'm not sure people even ever remove silt fencing. |
| # Posted 2007-03-23 22:58:18 | |
| z-man: | I've seen ones been chewed up, I presume they attract some deers or hungry O-ers :) |
| # Posted 2007-03-23 23:32:01 | |
| jjcote: | Chipmunks and squirrels. Rodents love polymers. |
| # Posted 2007-03-24 01:34:51 | |
| jima: | So now Swampfox is advocating the use of barbed wire in lieu of flagging tape.
I can see the sequence now. 1) Course setter marks control locations with barbed wire. 2) Vetter visits locations to confirm suitability and gets impaled on barbed wire, making it easier for 3) the person hanging the controls to find the locations by the degrading vetter(s) hanging there. Must be tough to get enough vetters.... |
| # Posted 2007-03-24 02:52:41 | |
| Acampbell: | I had no idea that the flagging tap biodegrated that is great!!! I always thought if the peice wasn't there after like 6 months a deer ate it. and i have seen some pieces that have lasted a while like a year or more.
and i would think it would be hard to get course setters as well, as they would probably get pretty cut up hanging the stuff. so where is this? so i know to be careful when coming into the control and not do my normal slide into the GO control. |
| # Posted 2007-03-24 03:28:56 | |
| Cristina: | Well, while I'm sure most flagging tape would eventually end up in some kind of biological waste mixture, there's actually specifically biodegradable flagging tape, like this, made from "nonwoven cellulosic material derived from wood pulp." That's what I was thinking of... |
| # Posted 2007-03-24 03:37:14 | |
| Sergey: | It is all not about one might know about flagging tape because it's widely used to delineate wetland areas, and one might be on his town's conservation commission. It is all about group of people who seriously discuss prettinnes of marking tape colors and its enviromental impact :) If you are not in the group - you are not real orienteer :) |
| # Posted 2007-03-24 03:49:19 | |
| tomwcarr: | In TX, where orienteers are indeed tough, we use barbed wire:
* To mark control locations. * To make compass lanyards. * To hang our whistles around our necks. * For finish line chutes. * For the little troll "string"-O. ... and more. Of course, one type of barbed wire won't suit for all of those purposes so we have a varied assortment of spools at the ready. For more information about barbed wire go here. (This is required reading before being granted membership in NTOA or HOC.) |
| # Posted 2007-03-24 04:38:53 | |
| JimBaker: | Actually, at least some barbed wire does degrade, via a nice rusty well-camoflaged color. (Having been degraded by three strands that only survived between one pair of trees.) |
| # Posted 2007-03-24 07:07:09 | |
| Jerritt: | Tom I especially like the barbed wire for string-o. That's a vicious mental image.
You all really are tougher in Texas. Maybe. In MN we only have string-o when the temperature is colder than 0 degrees. Oh. And they can only wear shorts. |
| # Posted 2007-03-24 07:20:09 | |
| jima: | 153. When all of this discussion about flagging versus barbed wire brings thoughts, pleasant thoughts at that, of getting back out into the woods, even if there is still a foot of snow in most places, and where the snow is fading away, the mud has taken over. |
| # Posted 2007-03-24 07:22:14 | |
| jima: | 154. When you have feelings of inadequacy because you only have one (rather boring) color of flagging in your car, even if it's the super large roll, and you can't remember when you didn't have a roll of flagging in your car. |
| # Posted 2007-03-24 07:45:56 | |
| jjcote: | 155. When you have extra-wide flagging tape in your car, yellow in color, with the word TIMEX emblazoned all over it. |
| # Posted 2007-03-24 08:09:51 | |
| Acampbell: | 156. When you start thinking it is perfectly ok to use flagging tape to tie your hair up, for o-ing, for school, or any other ocation. (or am i just weirder than most?) |
| # Posted 2007-03-24 08:13:31 | |
| mikeminium: | By the way, that is the back of MY van at the Flying Pig that cedarcreek photographed! While you're at it, why don't you post the picture you took of the control stand wall of my garage? |
| # Posted 2007-03-25 23:34:27 | |
| vyc: | 157. When your balcony is full of hanging/standing O-gear and you don't bother to hide it.
[so many messages, hope I'm not repeating anything...] |
| # Posted 2007-04-16 13:49:29 | |
| Milo: | 157 a. When you move home to be near some granite and move into an environmentally based profession so that you can at least spend some of your time exploring it.
157 b. When you make maps for a living. |
| # Posted 2007-04-16 16:56:35 | |
| Oxoman: | 158. When your mobile phone (cell phone) ring tone - is beep-beep-beep-beep-BEEP! |
| # Posted 2007-04-16 17:56:38 | |
| Josh: | 159. When your O shoe are full of woodland from up to a month ago but your the only who doesn’t think there disgusting
160. When your in the car and you make a map in your head of every thing you pass |
| # Posted 2007-04-16 18:30:31 | |
| Josh: | 161. When you see three numbers and you think it's a control code |
| # Posted 2007-05-03 18:10:44 | |
| Acampbell: | 162. when your sitting in English class and your talking about Hamlet and you first think of the convo you had at o-ing not that long ago about it. And then your English teacher starts talking about counters and how hamlets soliloquy's have a lot of counters that go up and down and then you start thinking about your West Point green course you ran this past weekend and how hilly it was, and just start laughing.
163. when as soon as your allowed to use your laptop in class you come straight here to post this. |
| # Posted 2007-05-03 19:15:49 | |
| kofols: | When you feel ready to spent time and money on Jukola. |
| # Posted 2007-05-04 20:13:33 | |
| Neumannxc: | these are great haha |
| # Posted 2007-05-07 00:49:53 | |
| vyc: | 'When you feel ready to spent time and money on Jukola.'
when i read this first time, it didn't look good, but after few seconds I thought it wasn't bad.. but I'm afraid I'm not orienteer yet.. :-/ |
| # Posted 2007-05-07 23:30:52 | |
| div: | vyc - you can drive to Jukola in 1 day - for North Americans it's spending some $2-3K... |
| # Posted 2007-05-11 17:38:07 | |
| TheInvisibleLog: | div.... you haven't driven from Vilnius to Tallinn.... I think you'd get there quicker from California. |
| # Posted 2007-05-11 21:40:33 | |
| div: | well, did it several times - but don't think there could be something worse than Lithuanian- Poland border in 90ies. |
| # Posted 2007-05-12 10:44:52 | |
| vyc: | this year it would be quite easy to get to Jukola, we have a bus going. It takes about 5 days:observing world cup, training, participating and a trip. I'm not going, but I will some day.. :D and then I will become orienteer! |
| # Posted 2007-05-12 11:37:06 | |
| TheInvisibleLog: | I might become an orienteer one day as well. But when you are older and slower like me, and you come from a long long way away, team organisation is a problem. At least the Kiwis have further to travel. |
| # Posted 2007-05-14 18:06:19 | |
| kofols: | 165:) ....and when you have a team for JUKOLA. It is quite hard to find enough people that have same interest at same year in our country. I am planning for 2008 and that looks much better than 2009 :). |
| # Posted 2007-05-15 02:21:55 | |
| Ricka: | 166: When for 3 days after running in State Park, 1-2 new woodticks appear daily crawling up your legs - after the car-ride to work or home. |
| # Posted 2007-05-15 03:02:33 | |
| LeeVice: | 167: when after having had a bad ankle sprain you just think at wether you will be able to run at the day after tomorrow's race. I'm desperate :( |
| # Posted 2007-05-15 03:51:13 | |
| div: | 168: when you know that running through Poison Oak results in heavy allergic reaction and you'll be itching for the next week or so but you do it once and once again.
169: seeing couple rattle snakes and almost stepping on one of them doesn't trigger thoughts of dropping course or slowing down. 170: seeing tarantula climbing same slope... |
| # Posted 2007-09-25 03:38:32 | |
| cedarcreek: | 171) ...you make navigational errors because of too much blood on your compass. |
| # Posted 2007-09-25 05:21:06 | |
| Sergey: | 172. When you use that huge magnifying glass sticked about 5 cm above your thumb compass for any text reading activities. |
| # Posted 2007-09-25 15:16:27 | |
| jotaigna: | you cant stop posting your habits in AP |
| # Posted 2007-09-25 20:24:57 | |
| Sergey: | AP IS our life! That's for sure! |
| # Posted 2007-12-31 04:33:22 | |
| Acampbell: | 174. When two of your birthday presents are things that say orienteering on them. One being a bag from your sister saying "love orienteering" and the other a home made t-shirt from your none orienteering friend saying "you know your an orienteering when... (on the front) you think there's nothing wrong with wearing clothes made up of 6 different colours. (on back)" as that was the one we had a good laugh with and thought was totally true when spending time reading all these posts. |
| # Posted 2007-12-31 09:06:35 | |
| Anna: | How do you get the starting line ringtone? |
| # Posted 2008-01-02 18:26:17 | |
| mosquito: | 175) when it seems logical to use your forehead to navigate thru entanglements of any sort.
176) when you design a variety of O clue sheet symbols that you think should be in the bunch (waterfall, beach, peninsula, dam) and seriously consider sending them in to IOF. 177) when you despair that the best runner in your club is moving up into your age group this year. |
| # Posted 2008-01-02 18:30:48 | |
| mosquito: | 178) when your orienteering is the deciding factor in convincing your wife you need to buy a hot tub. |
| # Posted 2008-01-02 20:06:21 | |
| jjcote: | So... how it is that she doesn't think a hot tub would be an excellent idea? One good selling point of a hot tub is the notion that she'd get to use it. I would think that would be enough. |
| # Posted 2008-01-02 22:38:57 | |
| vosvos: | 179) when you watch TV commercial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BA28sDRjqA and you know where exactly on the map is a pit, a guy falls into. |
| # Posted 2008-01-03 09:24:42 | |
| cporter: | 180) when the only decoration you have hanging in your cubicle are o-maps (will also be adding some pictures too because I am tired of being harassed for not having any)
181) when trying to choose a new bank after relocating you go with the one that has a very control like symbol (white half on the bottom) in its logo |
| # Posted 2008-01-03 10:09:49 | |
| Milo: | 182) When you can't wait to get older so that you can move up into the next age group. |
| # Posted 2008-01-04 03:03:44 | |
| Wyatt: | On 176, I think a cliff, stream crossing, is a pretty nice IOF description of a waterfall. I think Eric Bone did this once and I've used it at least once since... |
| # Posted 2008-01-06 04:40:40 | |
| kbreseman: | 183a) When both of your parents teach orienteering
183b) When your friends are all familiar with your house because they have run on it or perhaps mapped it 183c) When a good rainy-day game is to get out the blueprints of your house and hide pennies around the place 184) When you analyze how "good" the mud is- e.g. today's mud was almost as much fun as O-Ringen's 185) When you have been to over half the U.S. states and several places in Europe but mostly just saw the woods 185b) When you travel, on the rare occasion that it isn't for orienteering, you think about how great orienteering would be there (e.g. southern-central Mexico) 186) When your friends no longer think you're insane, and you have even managed to convince one or two to go hiking out back and swim in the muddy swamp with you 187) When you get lost on the way to someone's house, they tease you about it for being an orienteer, and you protest that you didn't have a map 188) When you know someone who has run into a deer on foot 189) When you are amazed to think that someone might NOT enjoy running around alone off-trail in the woods, possibly in the dark 190) When you have built cairns on your property just so you can map them |
| # Posted 2008-01-07 03:09:03 | |
| JanetT: | Good ones, Kelsey!
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| # Posted 2008-01-07 05:51:03 | |
| Suzanne: | I especially like 185 and 185b (Turkey for me... traveling with a non-O friend). |
| # Posted 2008-01-13 07:21:08 | |
| cmpbllv: | 191) When you select your graduate school based not on the quality of its programs, but its proximity to good orienteering terrain (Hello, CSU!)
192) When you have written a wedding card entirely out of IOF symbols (Jon writing for Andrew Komm and Sarah Klaben) |
| # Posted 2008-01-13 07:30:46 | |
| cmpbllv: | Oh yeah, and how could I forget...
193) When you select your house based on its proximity to a mapped feature so that your orienteering club can have a water stop in your back yard or so you can hold a race that ends with a BBQ at your place. And then unique to living at West Point..when your neighbors ask you if the cadets who keep crashing out of the woods into our back yards carrying RIFLES are members of the orienteering team! No, no...that would be the biathlon team... |
| # Posted 2008-01-14 11:32:02 | |
| Doyle: | 194) When you dont blink at seeing 7 year olds out in the bush by themselves for hours at a time.
195) Instead of guessing someones age, you guess what age class they would be in. 196) You think your a celebrity for getting mentioned in the Australian Orienteer! (My sister not me!) 197) You only buy jewelery thats Orienteering friendly 198) When you have enough cloth badges to cover a full sized quilt. 199) When you paint your fingernails to look like orienteering controls. 200) When you have read 200 "you know your an orienteer" comments and can still relate to them and laugh |
| # Posted 2008-02-03 03:28:33 | |
| sklassen: | 201) You know what all the letters in "ROGAINE" stand for |
| # Posted 2008-02-03 03:39:21 | |
| Bash: | Well, there IS some debate on that one. I know two versions. I guess that means I'm definitely an orienteer! |
| # Posted 2008-02-03 04:09:52 | |
| creamer: | 201*) Or when someone mentions ROGAINE your first thought is not the hair growth product. |
| # Posted 2008-02-03 04:35:50 | |
| jjcote: | On my first 24-hour ROGAINE, my partner and I spent some time on long legs coming up with alternate words for the letters in ROGAINE. Our favorite, and the only one that I remember now 16+ years later, was "Rusty Old Gagarin An Inexperienced Novice, Evidentally". |
| # Posted 2008-02-03 05:16:28 | |
| PG: | Since I am in the process of reverting to childhood (mentally at least), I would think the last word should be Eventually. |
| # Posted 2008-02-03 07:42:42 | |
| Bash: | Rugged
Outdoor Group Activity Involving Navigation & Endurance Or.... the brainchild of 3 Aussie friends: ROd GAIl NEil Anyone know for real? |
| # Posted 2008-02-03 08:08:14 | |
| O-ing: | Really
Orienteering Given An Ignorant Name (by an) Egotist |
| # Posted 2008-02-04 01:23:45 | |
| TheInvisibleLog: | 202: You know you are an orienteer when you insist you are not a rogainer.
BTW It should be ROGAM, not ROGAINE Rudimentary Orienteering Given An Incomplete Map In a local running magazine last month there was a promotional article for rogaining, given the headline: "Rogaining: Orienteering on Steroids". Thats strange. Perhaps they have never seen a sprint orienteering event. I always think of Rogaining as: "Orienteering on Tranquilizers". But probably also on an extremely inaccurate map and often in horrible terrain and with quite a few misplaced controls. I do quite a few rogaines, but I choose very carefully, preferring runnable terrain and an experienced orienteer as a course setter. I have set one, a 6 hour, but I used 6 orienteering maps joined into one mega map at 1-20,000. The map included quite a bit of gold mining and about a quarter of the controls were set so you had to find the feature rather than the kite. I received some really interesting comments and complaints. * One prominent adventure racer though t it was unfair because you couldn't see every kite from 50 metres away. * Some rogainers complained that the map was accurate and this did away with the 'detective work' that a skilled rogainer needs, making the event unfair. |
| # Posted 2008-02-04 03:31:46 | |
| Oxoman: | I thought the IN stood for Incompetent Navigators, but I'd settle for ROd, GAIl, and NEil as the sport originated here in Melbourne. |
| # Posted 2008-08-14 04:57:32 | |
| Sergey: | 203. Just came across this "gas_turbine I'm getting pulled into this weird orienteering crowd...." One more orienteer to realize the fact of it :) |
| # Posted 2008-08-14 05:26:03 | |
| 20_of_70: | 204. You fly halfway across the country in the middle of the night to compete in a race the next morning on nowhere near enough sleep when you're almost certain to come in just about last anyway.
205. You pull up a six month old thread to add another comment to it instead of starting a new one. =-) Nowhere have I seen this except on attackpoint. |
| # Posted 2008-08-14 06:41:41 | |
| nic from ecology: | 206. You deeply missed this thread and are excited to see it back |
| # Posted 2008-08-14 13:07:39 | |
| drewi: | 207. You go out for a run and when you come back your shoes are cleaner than they were before, because this time you didn't go through thigh height muck and the running knocked off some of the dust. |
| # Posted 2008-08-14 16:12:05 | |
| blairtrewin: | 208. As for 204 but substitute 'world' for 'country'. |
| # Posted 2008-08-14 17:51:01 | |
| biddy: | yah im glad this thread is back
209. when cant finding any normal wrapping paper so you wrap presents in old orienteering maps (i have just given up on buying wrapping paper now) |
| # Posted 2008-08-14 20:33:59 | |
| chitownclark: | 210. when you cringe to think of defacing or discarding an orienteering map...no matter how many other copies you might have. Every orienteering run is memorable...in some way! |
| # Posted 2008-08-15 06:41:06 | |
| nic from ecology: | 207b: you're glad to see a sand-dune map scheduled for the last race of a long weekend or carnival as that increases the chance of just having to shake your shoes out rather than cleaning them properly.
211: instead of describing this list as having subclauses (eg 207b) you can't decide if the better term would be splits, forks or gaffles. |
| # Posted 2008-08-21 00:24:06 | |
| DHemer: | 212: when there are almost as many ppl in the facebook group named after this threadas there are posts |
| # Posted 2008-08-21 06:13:15 | |
| bishop22: | 213: when your answer to Le Mans is the 24-hour drive home from Laramie Daze (which makes the drive to Moncton for the COCs seem like a walk in the park). |
| # Posted 2008-08-21 06:32:38 | |
| nomiii: | rogaine is a hair growth product??!?! it all makes sense.... |
| # Posted 2008-08-21 08:13:04 | |
| twisted1: | 214: When you try to fold the refedex while your driving so you can 'thumb' where your going..
215: When you slip running down some bare rock and u put your arm out to brake your fall... then just before impact, you rethink and decide to mangle your elbow and shoulder rather than risk scratching ur compass.. 216: When your neck reacts with lightning speed to glance subconsciously at anything orange while your running.. even if your inside a stadium on an oval.. 217: When you almost ruin a laminator by trying to preserve a ripped up, blood and mud stained map because it was a memorable run.. 218: When you reach for the strapping tape or duct tape to fix any clothes at all not just shoes i.e. temporarily bring up pants legs on a suit. 219: When you momentarily consider wearing your shiny Qld O' Suite to a mates bbq for State of Origin because you had lost your football jersey.. 220: When you look at a small strip of Lantana and decide to accelerate through it so you don't get as many scratches rather than try and walk through cautiously or go around it.. |
| # Posted 2008-08-22 02:56:51 | |
| Ricka: | 221: Your most common thought watching the Olympics is, "Compared to ___________, orienteering is a REAL sport." |
| # Posted 2008-08-22 05:05:20 | |
| nic from ecology: | 222: When relocating across the country for a new job, the first thing you get organised, packed away and ready to go is your o-/running-gear. Alternatively the last thing you get organised, packed away and ready to go is your o-/running-gear as there's always time to fit in one more race or training session
223: When choosing a start date for a new job, you consult the orienteering calendar and decide to start the day after there's a race in the town your new employer is based on.... |
| # Posted 2008-08-22 06:34:14 | |
| cedarcreek: | Regarding 215, "...you rethink and decide to mangle your elbow and shoulder rather than risk scratching ur compass..."
I broke a rib when I tried to break a fall with one arm rather than two---because I didn't want to break the compass. |
| # Posted 2008-08-22 10:46:04 | |
| DHemer: | 224: When your friends still dont understand yor sport even after you have explained it numoerous times but they refuse to try it cause every monday you look like an accident victem when they see you |
| # Posted 2008-08-23 06:46:19 | |
| twisted1: | to Cedarcreek.. #215 <-- its certainly one that you truly don't 'get' unless you're an orienteer .. nice work with the rib ;-) |
| # Posted 2008-08-26 12:54:17 | |
| NMFC: | 225) when you know the local physio number off by heart |
| # Posted 2008-08-26 17:46:17 | |
| GrahamE: | 226) When you can always find a thorn to pull out of you, no matter where you are or what time it is. |
| # Posted 2008-08-26 18:37:35 | |
| Jagge: | 227) When you know several ways to determine north without compass, but you never use any of them.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080826/sc_afp/usscie... |
| # Posted 2008-08-27 10:43:36 | |
| huwstradling: | 228) ....When you watch the Olympics for 6 hours straight trying to find a sport that is less of a spectator sport than orienteering. (Who actualy watched Waterpolo?)
229)....When you refresh the rolling rankings page the night after a meet even though it says it wont be updated for another two weeks. 230)....When you and your friends try to go somewhere and you immediately take charge of navigation or try and beat the others there. |
| # Posted 2008-08-28 17:18:41 | |
| chitownclark: | 231) When you feel badly taking 74 minutes to finish a 10k road race...until you realize "Hey, that's 7.4 min/km! Not bad!" |
| # Posted 2008-09-10 05:30:13 | |
| Ethan_.-._: | I didn't take the time to read all of them, but I got a couple:
232) You know you're an orienteerer when... you aren't afraid to run around in the woods wearing what looks like pajamas. 233) You go on a run with your cross country team on a road that parallels a lake, and when they stop to figure out how far past the lake they've gone, you tell them that there is still about 3/4 of the lake to go... and they disagree. |
| # Posted 2008-09-10 06:26:19 | |
| Heffer: | 234) You can tell what vegetation you have run through simply by the feel of the scratches on your legs. (Blackberries feel different to thistles which feel different to tea-tree etc) |
| # Posted 2008-10-31 16:49:30 | |
| Kas α♂ ha: | 235) When you spend some amount of time over an hour reading every reason, while getting told to go to bed for half the time. But trying to make sure you finish cause if you don't its a little like getting a DNF on an Orienteering Course. |
| # Posted 2008-10-31 18:30:30 | |
| iansmith: | 236) You propose to your girlfriend on an attackpoint forum. |
| # Posted 2008-11-02 04:32:29 | |
| Acampbell: | 237) when you spend the bus ride to States for cross country looking out the window and thinking to your self how the scenery would be mapped. and then proceed to ask your father on the way back in the car how some things would be mapped as you weren't sure how the different types of fields would be marked.
238) when you think that because you have never run the course full out before it would be good for you as you wouldn't really know how much more of the course there was and so think you would just focus on the present part like you do on an o-ing course. |
| # Posted 2008-11-02 13:04:46 | |||
| TheInvisibleLog: | Seeing someone has revived the thread, I succumbed.
239) You know you are an orienteer, when on sighting this landscape, your first thought is 'No need for a photogrammetrist". Limestone Gorge, Northern Territory, Australia. View Larger Map |
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| # Posted 2008-11-03 03:02:26 | |
| Bomb: | no need to map that - just run off the google earth pic. looks like really cool terrain! |
| # Posted 2008-11-03 05:10:40 | |
| TheInvisibleLog: | Except for the watercourse crossings.... not the safest. Lots of teeth on four legs. |
| # Posted 2009-03-30 04:04:00 | |
| toddp: | You are planning your drive to a o-meet and you print out the driving directions from the web and then instinctively shove the pages into a map bag to keep the pages dry and safe. |
| # Posted 2009-04-10 09:18:49 | |
| LKohn: | 240. ...you read this whole thread even after realizing it started in 2007. |
| # Posted 2009-04-10 17:44:04 | |
| hutspot: | Your daughter comes upstairs at 12:30 at night and doesn't ask questions when she sees you with your headlamp on. |
| # Posted 2009-04-10 23:51:05 | |
| mnickel: | 242. ...you write a paper on why you still want to be a teacher and more than a page ends up being about Orienteering and its relation to geology, networking, making friends, science education, and learning in general. then you realize your page is 3.5 pages longer than it should be and you still have to find something to cite... |
| # Posted 2009-04-11 07:12:25 | |
| cmpbllv: | 243...You can recommend a fellow orienteer as a reference to for a paper on Orienteering, teaching, geology, networking, making friends, science education, and learning in general (see Michael Hendricks, Professor in the West Point Geography Department, I bet he's got something that might be helpful!) |
| # Posted 2009-04-11 07:23:49 | |
| johncrowther: | 244... When you've been a willing victim in an experiment that lead to a paper on the physiology of orienteering. |
| # Posted 2009-04-11 07:39:57 | |
| mnickel: | >> paper on the physiology of orienteering
OH MY GOODNESS!!!! I would like to read that paper. is it comprehensible to people who have never taken physiology/anatomy? >>243. Thanks so much!!! I will definitely look into that!! |
| # Posted 2009-04-11 09:41:35 | |
| drewi: | 245. When you own more o-jerseys than formal shirts. (heh...) |
| # Posted 2009-04-11 10:26:55 | |
| Orion4ik: | 246. When you are taking a shortcuts and your friends are in shock by how much time they could safe for the last few years! :) |
| # Posted 2009-04-11 10:34:55 | |
| mnickel: | >>245.
I cant wait until we figure out all the red tape and get UNC-CH-O' Jerseys... |
| # Posted 2009-04-14 00:46:37 | |
| bendoherty: | 247... When you start planning your orienteering themed stag do without any intention of getting married within the foreseeable future :p |
| # Posted 2009-04-14 03:21:30 | |
| Ben.: | 248 - You have nothing but O-maps on the floor, on shelves or anywhere else. |
| # Posted 2009-04-16 11:02:20 | |
| AZ: | 249 - you get the following invite to a Saturday night party...
Hi everyone, It's Tiomila time again, and we're planning to watch this big Swedish orienteering relay live this Saturday at 5626 Alma Street! It will be a pizza potluck -- we have the dough, you bring your favourite toppings!! Our good friend and formed GVOC star, Henrik Loefaas is running leg #9 for OK Linne, who have big hopes to making into the top 10 again. For those of you who don't know what Tiomila is, it's a 10 person orienteering relay, with 400 teams. It starts late in the evening in Sweden, and runs through the entire night. It's broadcast live over the internet, which we plan to stream onto a screen (anyone have a projector??). Please let me know if you plan to come so that we can print enough maps...er I mean make enough dough. Show up at around 6:30ish.The top teams will just have started leg #6 by then. The expected finish time is 11:05 Vancouver time. |
| # Posted 2009-04-16 11:03:00 | |
| AZ: | 250 - ... and you wish you could go |
| # Posted 2009-04-16 18:46:39 | |
| Orienteer: | You ignore given directions and signposts to an event as you believe the route given is not the optimum route choice. |
| # Posted 2009-04-16 23:39:41 | |
| Olly Williams =): | 251-you are on routegadget all the time.
252-looking at results of races you have not been. |
| # Posted 2009-04-17 01:02:27 | |
| ndobbs: | 253 - your friend's stag party involves playing marsh football |
| # Posted 2009-04-21 03:44:27 | |
| hammer: | 250b - and you wish you could go - to that Tiomila party but you are on an orienteering weekend in the U.S. and don't mind paying the ridiculous roaming charges on your iPhone to get Tiomila WorldofO instant blog updates every ten minutes during dinner with O friends...
250c - you try to examine Tiomila route choices on the small screen of said iPhone |
| # Posted 2009-04-21 03:57:02 | |
| Acampbell: | 254 - when you realize that you have an orienteering sunburn, and instead of getting annoyed by getting burnt you get excited that you can kinda see where your cluesheet holder was.
254b- when the next comment by your friends around you when you figure this out is "Oh my! Can you get a compass tan? That would be so cool!" |
| # Posted 2009-04-24 19:47:50 | |
| disorienteer: | 255. You see the variegated design on the handle of a plastic spoon, and think, "That would make some interesting O terrain." (Actual occurrence, 8:55 a.m. CT today.) |
| # Posted 2009-04-25 01:41:44 | |
| A Child: | 256. You use a map case to protect important documents. |
| # Posted 2009-04-27 15:01:29 | |
| M.J: | 257. You sit down for dinner with a recent orienteering map as your place mat and study your errors instead of eating your dinner |
| # Posted 2009-04-27 15:52:09 | |
| rockman: | 258. You are watching a Lamborghini being thrashed along a country road on "Top Gear" and you wonder whether the forest really is as good for orienteering as it looks. |
| # Posted 2009-04-27 16:35:45 | |
| TheInvisibleLog: | I vote 258 the best so far! |
| # Posted 2009-04-27 20:05:48 | |
| A Child: | I do believe I saw that episode. I thought they were ok woods. |
| # Posted 2009-04-28 04:53:43 | |
| A Child: | 259. You tour a college campus and all you can think about is how badly you want to run a sprint there... |
| # Posted 2009-04-28 05:27:43 | |
| blairtrewin: | 260. You see bits of a Robin Hood movie on TV and your first thought is "I don't remember Sherwood Forest having this much contour detail when I ran a British National Event there once". |
| # Posted 2009-04-28 05:35:36 | |
| Acampbell: | 260b. You badly want to run in Sherwood Forest after seeing Robin Hood and then you hear that Sherwood Forest isn't really that nice :( |
| # Posted 2009-04-28 06:58:46 | |
| MMaxwell: | 259b. While you are touring, you orient your campus map while you try to get from one class to another. |
| # Posted 2009-04-28 08:10:10 | |
| A Child: | 259c. When you arrive late, you explain it was due to the lack of contour detail. |
| # Posted 2009-04-29 12:16:10 | |
| Cy: | 259d. And you couldn't find a good attack point |
| # Posted 2009-04-29 16:56:35 | |
| expresso: | 256b. You use a dirty, ripped map case for your "gels" on the way through TSA security for your flight home. |
| # Posted 2009-04-29 21:01:50 | |
| tomwcarr: | 261: When you register online for the Flying Pig night-O, which turns out to be cold and icy, causing you to get the flu bug. |
| # Posted 2009-04-29 22:05:21 | |
| 20_of_70: | Serves you right for following. |
| # Posted 2009-04-30 07:41:27 | |
| jteutsch: | 262: after reading this discussion for an hour, the only reason you stop is to work on the sprint map that you're creating.
263: then, as a break from mapping, you come back and add to this discussion. |
| # Posted 2009-04-30 08:25:58 | |
| boyle: | Get back to the map. |
| # Posted 2009-05-19 21:39:47 | |
| Acampbell: | As promised =]
264: when your kid thinks it is perfectly ok (even a great idea) to make gaiters out of chip bags, and then takes her mom's map and runs around the last few sprint controls. 
Anna Campbell punching at the buffalo ameet. 
standing proud with her new "gaiters" |
| # Posted 2009-05-19 22:11:52 | |
| jjcote: | Note that the "A. Campbell" in the pictures is not the same person as (and is no relation to, as far as I know) the Acampbell who posted them. (Although their fathers have the same name and have sometimes been a source of confusion to people compiling results for rankings.) |
| # Posted 2009-05-19 22:21:40 | |
| cedarcreek: | (264b) ...when you look at doritos bag gaiters and think, "I'll bet those would work for stinging nettles." |
| # Posted 2009-05-19 23:50:26 | |
| Acampbell: | oh right, yeah we are not related. However we do look a bit a like (when i was little) and my sister and i have been known to make things out of unexpected materials. =] |
| # Posted 2009-08-26 07:17:19 | |
| nic from ecology: | 265) During your colleague's seminar on the cost distance modelling he did on juvenile bird dispersal you sit there thinking about how it could revolutionise route choice analysis |
| # Posted 2009-08-26 13:29:27 | |
| stegal: | 266) You consider "The Blair Witch Project" as a boring O-competition, and all the guys lost in the forest as poor orienteers |
| # Posted 2009-08-27 02:21:01 | |
| Sergey: | 267) During highest possible competition in the world on your way to gold medal you stop to help injured opponent with whom you just raced with all you have. Not only this but two next athletes stop as well to help to comfort and carry the injured one from the woods. Highest respectes to Anders, Michal, and Thierry for their sportsmanship and humanity! |
| # Posted 2009-08-27 02:33:49 | |
| nic from ecology: | well said! |
| # Posted 2009-10-01 16:14:19 | |
| jantheman: | 268) You choose an education that has an international orienteering championship. As a forester I can participate in EFOL, European Foresters? Orienteering Championships. I also think that the railway-people has a world championship... |
| # Posted 2009-12-21 21:26:26 | |
| Oleg: | 269) you are an orienteer when... |
| # Posted 2009-12-22 05:39:09 | |
| biddy: | hahaha thats terrible |
| # Posted 2009-12-22 17:12:05 | |
| gordhun: | The REAL orienteer is the girl in the background who was not distracted from her course by her partner's call of nature. |
| # Posted 2009-12-22 18:06:56 | |
| chitownclark: | But you gotta appreciate the boy's developing dexterity: dropping his pants and taking care of business with one hand, while the other juggles map, clue sheet and compass...all while absorbed in studying his route choices! |
| # Posted 2009-12-23 01:04:02 | |
| gordhun: | So does it mean he's left handed, right handed or ambidextrous? |
| # Posted 2009-12-23 02:54:35 | |
| DaveR: | The REAL orienteer is the young girl who on a pouring wet day "let go" on the run so as not to loose any time! Her father was actually quite impressed, her mother somewhat less so :-). |
| # Posted 2010-01-02 23:18:41 | |
| jteutsch: | 270) when your christmas cards involve orienteering:
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