Discussion: You know you are an orienteer when...
in: Orienteering; General;
(1) you show off your scratches and bruises with pride
(2) You optimize your route choices to and from the supermarket
(3) You contemplate moving to Sweden
(4) You stand around after each race comparing results
(5) You always have at least one O-map in the bathroom
(6) You orient a street map of your town to the magnetic north, even
if it means all the street names are upside down
(7) When you begin doodling in a boring class, the doodles all look
like contour lines and you feel a compulsion to add the tick mark
showing which way is down
(8) You hit the "refresh" button every 5 minutes while waiting for race splits to appear online.
(9) You consider taping the shoelaces on your dress shoes
(10) you start getting competitive about training volume on Attackpoint
(11) You think that Gu makes a perfectly acceptable meal
(12) You can recite your Sport Ident number from memory, but often have trouble remembering your phone number
(13) You break out laughing when you realize your pile of dirty clothes
looks like a dot knoll
[Credit must be given when it is deserved: Boris came up with half of these (probably the better half).]
Any other good ones?
(14) While driving, you never actually get lost, you just make "x min mistakes".
- You own a one-piece O-suit that has people asking if you were on tour with Olivia Newton-John or MC Hammer.
- Somebody asks you how to work their GPS, and you launch in to a 20 minute tirade about how those things are useless for navigation.
Haha! I've definitely done that with GPS!
(17) You think there's nothing wrong with wearing clothes made up of 6 different colours
(18) Your "ultimate embarrassment" is getting lost on the way to an event.
>Somebody asks you how to work their GPS, and you launch in to a 20 minute tirade about how those things are useless for navigation.
Exactly! I've done that too.
19) You have your head upside down in the mall trying to orient the large neon store directory map.
20) You can't drive past open woods without saying "Oooh nice woods...that would make a great orienteering area"
21) You know exactly how many double paces it is from your house to the mail box, the grocery store, your kid's school, the neighbours house,....
21) You looked at all the people stuck on the interstate fleeing Houston, and wondered "Didn't they look on the map for a better route?"
22) When someone tries to give you directions to their house, you totally ignore them and say "Just tell me the address, I have a map and I can find my own way there".
I also own some fine 1-piece suits (some of which have the required 6 colours), but they are for ski racing and not orienteering. They do, however, require the same amount of confidence in your manhood.
You thumb your grocery checklist.......
23) You are no longer surprised at finding a control
24) At a new job, you actually look at the blueprint of your office floor. It's important to know all the possible route choices to the bathroom, right?
25) On a boring day at work, you draw a sprint-O course on your office floor blueprint.
26) You complain about people who park their huge mobile homes between two trees and announce they are "camping."
I once wrote these as "You know you are obsessed with orienteering when:"
- All of your white socks are no longer white or you buy grey or black socks so the dirt doesn’t show
- Your room or office is strewn with recent maps that you have yet to file in your map filing system
- A lot of what you own has an orienteering sticker on it
- There is a bag on the floor you have yet to fully unpack from your most recent orienteering trip
- Your car and/or a lot of your clothes have a distinct “orienteering smell”
- You have started to recognize a distinct smell to your orienteering stuff, and it doesn’t come out in the wash
-Your compass is one of your most prized possessions
- You spend a lot of your time surfing random orienteering websites
- You spend a lot of your time fantasizing meets you might go to in the future
- You compare most life situations to orienteering problems
27) You read all of the above and find it funny, not disturbing.
28) Your child knows the words orienteering, course and compass before he/she is potty trained.
29) Any piece of paper your child sees with writing on it is a "map"
30) Any line your child draws is a "trail"
Am I a bad parent?
31) 0CAD is the only software graphics package you know how to use, so you do everything with it (e.g. make calendars).
32) Your child believes the three primary colours are lakes, fields, and out of bounds areas...
>Am I a bad parent?
No... good parent... good parent!
Ha! I used OCAD to format and print my graduation paperwork last term! (When you've got a presigned form, there's no better program for scanning in a template, placing text, and printing precisely to scale)
33) You've lived in your town less than 1 year, and can find your way round it better than people who've lived there all their lives
34) You go for a run with others in an area you don't know, and feel you have to look at a map afterwards to work out where you went (or even draw a map of where you went)
35) When travelling a long distance you think in terms of orienteering areas (not cities) that you drive past
36) (For recent Windows to Mac converts only) - You've kept that old Windows PC, but only for running all the orienteering software that only runs on Windows (eg OCAD, Catching Features)
37) Whenever you drive by forest, you assess runnability. If it's white, you really want to run through it.
38) Your five-year-old grandson draws you an O map for a birthday card.
39) You go running near a friend's house and run on trails and roads that they didn't know existed or never walked/ran/drove on before.
40) You draw magnetic north lines on your government topo maps.
28 B) You, your wife and your kid (who isn't even potty trained yet) all feature regularly on attackpoint logs
3 AP folks in one household ...100% coverage by the Johnstons of MNOC in Mpls
>>Quote>> 21) You looked at all the people stuck on the interstate fleeing Houston, and wondered "Didn't they look on the map for a better route?"
we didn't have a choice the cops were ticketting anybody that didnt go the way directed by them.9 ithink they where a also ordered shoot to kill)
and during that time i did find a ruopte that saved my car about three hours on nothing but orienteering intuition
41) A few days later you dream about a course you recently ran (I won't say whether for better or for worse!)
42) You've abandoned clothes in a hotel room after the meet.
43) You think nothing of driving for 16 hours in order to run around in a strange place for 90 minutes.
44) Your child can read the IOF symbols before they can read the "beginner" clue sheets.
45) The squares in the quilt on your bed look like control markers.
46) When you babysit, you often take the child(ren) orienteering. Bonus points if it's on a map you made.
I also embody these:
>20) You can't drive past open woods without saying "Oooh nice woods...that would make a great orienteering area"
>22) When someone tries to give you directions to their house, you totally ignore them and say "Just tell me the address, I have a map and I can find my own way there"
> 31) 0CAD is the only software graphics package you know how to use, so you do everything with it (e.g. make calendars). [although I'm learning a couple other programs now.]
45a) The squares in the quilt on your bed ARE control markers.
47) you have removed moss and/or ferns from between your butt-cheeks
48) taking a communal dump with people you don't know no longer seems weird
49) taking a communal dump with people you do know no longer seems weird
50) You know that 'orienteer' is a person who participates in orienteering sport not some distant object. And you know how to spell both!
Neil, what kind of meets do you go to? I think I've been missing out.
Along Neil's thread - 51) You have a whole set of orienteering undies - that brown stain from slidding down a hill will never come out! And let's not talk about the color of the socks!
52) A weather forecast of storm, wind, and flood for the weekend reminds you of a fun time you once had in the woods.
(53) "mins/km" replaces mph as your standard unit of speed. For everything.
man, i should start talking to the pilots like that. "pilot, fly indicated airspeed of .25 mins/km". they'd freak out.
I think I can tick 27 of 54. An exact 50%. Do I pass? Am I an orienteer?
54) When you selected your honeymoon trip destination, the selection was based purely on O-maps and terrains.
55) You wear Lyrca when you really shouldn't..
56) You don't immediately think its a Clown Hunt when you see hundreds of people in bright coloured clothes running around the fells in the rain.
57) You have to harvest the plants that grew in your backyard from the burrs you picked off your clothes.
You found out how to get your revenge on stingning neddles.
-Boil them & eat them like spinach
Actually it tastes pretty good:)
59) You are preoccupied with intricacies of World Ranking Event statistical calculations most of your day time. And during night you would wake up with eureka scream finding one more genius scheme how to trick it.
A friend of mine who's wife doesn't orienteer told me this (really)...
69) My fantasy is that my wife will wear a thumb compass when we make love
Okay, that's a thread-killer if I've ever seen one.
Those SI dipsticks work pretty well if you wear them... never mind.
but thumb compass could be more exciting
60) When all the shirts you own are from o-meets
61) You use costume dress-up days as an excuse to wear your O-suit.
So far I've done this twice this school year. Once was for "Extreme Sports" dress up day and the other....
yup - "Pajama Day"
62. Your son isn't even 1 year old and take a photo of him by a marker and say he's in the M-0 category.
63 - Think road running as borienteering.
64. You take pictures of a stuffed elephant
doing things that orienteers do.
< 64. You take pictures of a stuffed elephant doing things that orienteers do.
Or inflatable penguin...Ingrid, Vic schools team mascot in 2002
65.- you get a compass necklace for a graduation present and you've never take if off.
66) You have a full-sized control as part of your home decor (mine hangs from the dresser)
67) People at work no longer need to ask "What happened to you?" when you come to work covered in scratches/gashes/bruises on Monday... because they already know
68) You keep a map in your car in order to explain to strangers about orienteering
69) When you finally self-made your own o-web page and updating it constantly.
70) When you buy shoes without trying it.
71) When AttackPoint is your browser home page.
72) When a teacher calls home or asks you directly if everything is allright because of all the gashes you have on your arms.
73) if you always have attackpoint or other o-ing web sites up. and have gotten yelled at by teacher for checking them in class.
74) When the nurse doing your history is concerned about the scars near both wriists. She accepts the O' explanation when she notices, "You have scars all over your arms."
75) When you get criticized by a student for paying to much attention to O-sites during class :)
76) you actually use the split function on your watch
77) the biggest celebrity you know is Marc Lauenstein
78) when meeting new people, learning their name is not as important as learning their Attackpoint handle
79) your friends say "that's for sure" in a passable Pers Forsberg impersonation, having picked it up from you
80) you are really good at seeing orange things in your peripheral vision
He is running so good today! That's for sure.
>79) your friends say "that's for sure" in a passable Pers Forsberg impersonation, having picked it up from you
So after his announcing at NAOC, does NevMonster have a future as North America's version of Per F.?
I think I only heard, "he's too late!" once at NAOC, and that's just not enough. That's for sure.
81) ...when you know who Pers Forsberg is...
>81) ...when you know who Pers Forsberg is...
That's for sure
82) On the spur of the moment you show up at a local meet across the country in a place you've never been, and the first ten people you see are all people you know.
... and isn't that sad? the all the people that you know part.
83) When you go to IKEA and one you never get lost. two you find at lest 5 things that reminds you of orienteering.
84) When you decorate your Christmas tree wiht mini o-controls.
>66) You have a full-sized control as part of your home decor (mine hangs from the dresser)
Mine is my lampshade and makes the room glow orange when it's dark and the only light on.
Of course, that's what they call control markers in Sweden...how apropos.
85) When your wife stops asking people on the street for directions instead relying on you and a copy of the map printed off the Internet. Actually it is, probably, the best sign that you moved to "elite" orienteering category :)
86)You get a cramp in your neck while driving south because you had to turn your head upside too many times to read the city names. (Or you're too good for that and don't have to read the city names to know where you are)
84a) When you decorate your Christmas tree with control punches. . .
87) ...you draw an O-map (using OCAD) of your house and yard. Then you teach your five-year-old to use the map to find baseballs hidden around the property. Extra credit if the map is ISSOM-compliant (mine is not :).
87) you draw a map of your house.....
We "hired" Swampfox to make our map, then held a local meet on it, using only punches.
Our 10-acre property is currently being mapped to sprint standards in anticipation of a club BBQ night.
88) When running in shoes with couple holes is fine if outsole is still intact (especially if it is wet outside since everything you are wearing will be wet soon anyway). Just put couple layers of duct tape and off you go!
89) When running in the woods during rain does not seem strange anymore. Contrary you found some pleasure in pre-soaking before venturing into woods.
90) When the only wild creature you are afraid of is called "attack badger" since you already have met bears, wolfs, moose, wild pigs, kangaroos, and deers and they ALL ran scared from you.
Mmmm...you haven't run into bison yet...
Shouldn't that be, "yum, you haven't run into bison yet...yum!"
91) The only shoes you own are those you use for orienteering
92) You have more clothes you run orienteering in that you have other clothes
93) You would rather run across open land or through forest than on a perfectally usable road (not in a race)
90a) You aren't exactly afraid of ticks, but they do concern you... on a regular basis.
91)you aren't that afraid of "getting lost" any more; all it will do is slow you down.
90b) You've looked into getting vaccinated for Tick-Borne Encephalitis (TBE)
, even though neither the disease nor the vaccine exists on your continent.
90c) On second thought, maybe you ARE afraid of ticks.
My point wasn't to be alarmist, worrrying about TBE in North America, but because of competitions one might go to in TBE-prone areas.
And that includes a good chunk of Europe, so it's worth reading about it. Weren't people supposed to get this vaccine for the World Cup in Estonia? How did they get it if it's not available in North America?
Indeed the only woods creatures I am still scared of are ticks. Have been through a bear encounter and (quite possibly) a mt. lion encounter, and lived to tell with all organs intact. Not so lucky with ticks.
You lost an organ to a tick? Or you just have a less-functioning organ because of a tick?
Too bad the tick couldn't have given you super powers, like in a comic book.
Or you just have a less-functioning organ because of a tick?
Tick-borne ED. It's no laughing matter.
It is the latter which is slowly transforming into the former. The organ is the left ear (hair cells, to be exact). I was so so super lucky it didn't do anything to my joints. Else life wouldn't be so pretty nowdays.
So, my point is—the smaller the lifeform, the more hazardous. Attack badgers rate fairly low; for all we know about them (firsthand from Swampfox at least), these are about the size of a cow, so can't be that bad for you.
Indeed the only woods creatures I am still scared of are ticks.
I'm scared of the primates in certain North American locales ...
Oh, those are super friendly as long as you're packing, too.
Personal Taser(TM), on the market soon... :-(
Of course, when cokeheads are in the White House not just your neighbourhood and foyer and parkade, are you ever safe?
yeah i'm now only scared of tickes although i have gotten a little less scared of them since i got limes disesase for the second time.
oh no never mind i'm scared of snakes as well!!
87a) ...you draw an O-map (using OCAD) of your house and yard. But your 10-year-old ignores that map and draws one freehand, so he can set a course for your 5-year-old (using the pint-sized training controls you picked up last spring).
95 - S'fox took 94) You can't hold back any longer and design a "Tan" (Brown length / White level) course for the local high school Cross Country team, for a leisurely workout the day before a race. But it backfires because you're out of town and your 9th-grade son runs the course to set the controls, then runs it again with his friends, giving him over an hour of running on the day before the last league meet of the year.
I'm only scared of spiders *shudder* and those thousand-legger things (but you don't normally see them in the woods)
I guess I'm lucky in that I hardly ever get bitten by ticks, mosquitoes, or other insects, even if everyone else is covered in bites. So I'm not scared of them. Maybe I have bitter blood. I also don't get any type of poison.
96)you spend your spare time thinking of strange things that orienteers do.
97) you ask your principle to see the floor plan of your new high school so you can plan your routes between classes. you look for 5 mins and you already have them memorized. then you are always the last one out of class and the first one to the next becuase of your great routes to and from classes.
98) your glad you have a sinus infection, because it gives you an excuse to wander in the woods without feeling guilty. 'well, as long as i'm sick, and cant get anything done, i might as well...'
99) You spend far too much time on attack point.
Lets kill this before we get to 100. It doesn't look good to normal human beings.
"99) It doesn't look good to normal human beings.."
100) if it looks normal for you - than you are in
116) You shout "re-entrant" at seemingly random times in the car.
117) You think choosing which lane to go down at the the grocery store is a route choice.
There is life outside orienteering as well...
Yeah, but no attack badgers.
109 b) you hear "SI", you immediately think "No!".
No matter how good your Spanish skills are.
109 b) you hear "SI", you immediately think "No!".
I can understand your reactions... ;)
110) While making your post event visit to the Emergency Room they take one look at you and ask, "Do you feel safe at home?"
(This really happened after the 2005, Buena Vista portion of the Colorado 5-Days.)
111) After your visit to the ER, you return to compete the next day.
112. The thing you fear most in life is the control description "Pit, overgrown, inside"
113. When you hava a Wedding "O" the day before the real wedding to prove to your friends and family that the sport really exists.
114. When the 4 tier wedding cake is to made to look like an O map, contours and all
115. When you look forward to doing naked "tick checks" on your spouse after events (after the shower of course!).
116. When you continue to go orienteering after doing a face-plant on a granite boulder during a sprint race, including enduring the following comments: The medic at the finish, whom you've known for years, looks at you and says "Who is this?" Someone says "Mike!" and she replies "Mike who?". Then, when you get to the ER, the doc takes one look at you and says "This is beyond me -- I'm going to make some phone calls". True story - Wyoming '04.
117) when doodling in a boring class you make imaginary map samples of terrain you like to orienteer in.
118. You race for nearly an hour on a leg broken in two places so as not to let down your team. (No, not me!) Article
wow that is encredable i would never have been able to do that!!!
119) When you are drving to somewhere, you don't admire the nice houses, the people, mountains etc. but the terrain you are looking at outside your window.
ooh brave kid. I don't think I'd be able to do that...
120) you do a permanent o-course for X-Country practice, and come back with an updated map and the CORRECTED control locations on your school map
121) you walk 800 or so meters into the woods just to take this picture
122) when you look at your pumpkin and vanilla ice cream and think "oh cool my ice cream looks like an o-ing flag"
123) you don't know how to spell encredable but you know how to spell orienteering
123a) how about you don't know how to spell many words but know how to spell almost anything that has to do with orienteering.
124) you eat oatmeal porridge for breakfast every day.
"123) you don't know how to spell encredable but you know how to spell orienteering"
-- now thats a bit of a stretch.
"123a) how about you don't know how to spell many words but know how to spell almost anything that has to do with orienteering."
thats a little closer, re-entrant is a tricky word, as is OCAD
125) you take tran* every morning.
*cod-liver oil or fish oil -not in capsules but in liquid form
BTW-its spelled "incredible".
But actual fish oil tastes better than the capsules anyways. Especially if you get the lemon flavoured stuff, which is quite nice.
123b) You call it OCAD to everyone except J-J, to whom you use 0CAD, to be polite.
126) cjross: you are without doubt an orienteer when you make a statement like that… that stuff is nasty, the lemon only makes it worse by attempting to mask the totally revolting taste.
127 - You are glad to spend more than $30 on a compass. Especially one that is really no good for simple navigation (spectra).
when you pass the time on the toilet by picking little black splinters out of your thighs
128) You find it entertaining to talk about race enhancing qualities of regular multi-bottle wine consumption and do it with some skepticism. Though somewhere deep inside you feel that it must be right.
(...or at least a map freak)
when you find this
kind of thing amusing...
The alphabet seems to be pretty heavy on Tucson, AZ. I don't know if it says something about me or not that I immediately recognized one of the buildings (not in Tucson).
And fittingly enough a Calgary building is the C. (I didn't recognize it, even though I worked about a mile from there, and have a dentist even closer...but it's in a nondescript industrial area I rarely visit.)
I'm guessing that JJ recognized the O? (which is part of the Smithsonian Museum (Hirshhorn Museum and Sculpture Garden...modern art) near the Mall).
Seems like finding images on Google Earth or Google maps is becoming a big passtime. Some place in the east of Alberta made the news recently because it looks like a person wearing headphones. (Yeah, it's a slow news period here, and there are lots of geologists here that I suspect like looking at landforms almost as much as we do.)
>when you pass the time on the toilet by picking little black splinters out of your thighs
When the little bump that has been above your knee for months goes all funky and turns out to be a small abscess with a *thorn* inside of it. Yuck!
Yep, it was the Hirschhorn.
I don't know if it says something about me or not that I immediately recognized one of the buildings (not in Tucson).
And I recognized the Tucson N, which is sort of disturbing. (It's on the U of A campus.)
When your o-shoes smell like.......well, just about everything!!
129- When you keep postponing that business trip you have to make across the country until an A meet nearby is going to take place the weekend before your visit.
You inexplicably find random bits of orange surveyor's tape in your underwear drawer.
Tom, that's never happened to me. I think that's something you need to keep to yourself.
>>When your o-shoes smell like.......well, just about everything!!
When you have O-shoes.
130 - you have o-shoes
131 - you know what it is "o-shoes"
I just went out to the garage and counted -- there seem to be eight pairs, in varying levels of serviceability.
132) When you keep one o-shoe left from a pair but still "good" in hope to find matching one in future.
133) When your racing o-shoes last at most one season. They would last even less if not to smart duct tape usage.
I expect to be down to eight pair, after filtering stuff out before the move.
Duct taping of shoes is one O skill I need to improve...mine always falls off quickly in the first race. Maybe I should heat it to get it to stick better.
134) When you have more purple and red ink pens/markers in your desk for drawing courses, than you do black or blue ones
Try Gorilla Tape
- the "toughest" tape. I taped my foot with it one time, and I couldn't cut if off afterwards. Well, I did eventually, but it wasn't easy...
Why were you trying to cut off your foot?
Because I taped it on backwards?
135 When you have an orienteering thingy dangling from your rear view mirror.
136 When you hide old orienteering magazines so that your spouse doesn't toss them out
137 When you feel like a professional journalist when you write a small article for your local orienteering newsletter
138 When most of the everyday mugs or glasses in your cupboard are prizes from orienteering events
When you have an orienteering thingy dangling from your rear view mirror.
My wife does this in her car. One time a friend asked me "What's that thing? Part of a cult or something?"
I started thinking about how to answer and finally just said "Yeah, something like that."
I told a friend it was a secret sign so "we" could recognize each other as we're trying to blend into the general population on weekdays.
139) ...when you've tried playing Catching Features on a laptop mounted to the the console of a treadmill, and succeeded. And then you worried that you'd get sweat on the keyboard, and stopped.
140. When you've seriously considered developing a solution to the problem described in 139.
140.a) ... when you are using duct tape to preserve laptop's keyboard from sweat while running on treadmill and playing CF...
can't you just put down a layer of clear plastic/wrap (e.g. saran wrap) on your keyboard to make it sweat/water proof? I know, it's not nice looking by any means, but it should be functional.
what you think duct tape is for?
141. When your kids think it's normal to find Xmas presents by using OCAD maps of the interior of your house
Clear plastic wrap works. 'Bent uses it on his keyboard and mouse next to the dental chair.
What? he plays CF while cleaning people's teeth? Shhhheeshhh
142. When your kids have a sitter named Amy and they give her the nickname "A-meet".
143. When to be named "real elitist" you have to prove that you did O races in at least 30 USA states, 7 Canadian provinces, and 15 countries around the world.
145) You only own sports socks and every one of them has thorns in it. Even after washing.
146) all your socks are still brown even after many washes. and not just your orienteering socks but the other socks that acidently got put in the wash with your o-ing stuff.
SGB, is there a good reason why your #145 follows directly after #143?
147. You are lucky enough to get tickets to see the Sabres play the Leafs and you can't help but wonder if Teppo Numminen and Mats Sundin also know how to orienteer.
148. You don't worry about 145 following 143 because you assume it was a "Billygoat skip".
147b. You watch the Sabres and the Leafs play hockey on TV and wonder if (on some nights) their teams would be better off if Teppo Numminen and Mats Sundin were orienteering instead.
Your colleague's (John Coburn) new Trigonometry text includes word problems with contour diagrams ("Find the slope...") because of all the times he's heard my post-race analyses.
149. When teaching slope to your high school pre-calc class you brought in several of your orienteering maps and had them calculate the slope from point to point. The bonus question was determining the slope of an impassible cliff.
Boris, I will add to the missing number.
144. When your weight is not in kg but rather in Gs or Ks (founding father has his following too :).
Please continue with #150...
150. Taking your new girlfriend (who is not already an orienteer) to a local orienteering meet is a perfectly acceptable date.
151) ...when you keep some flagging tape around:
Wait there is BLUE AND GREEN flagging tape? when did that happen and were was I? I've never seen that before.
I use blue all the time. Electric blue is my first choice. Green has a tendency to get lost in foliage, though.
I agree with electric blue, but that blue, combined with the apparent white stripes also seems like it should be pretty easy to lose...
I have never seen the blue or green before. We tend to use pink or orange here.
Available in just about any color you'd like, including various stripe combinations.
And even available in a biodegradable variety! Which I think is absolute genius.
152. When flagging tape colors sparkle amused discussion among the group of O enthusiasts and you are part of this group.
Or maybe one might know about flagging tape because it's widely used to delineate wetland areas, and one might be on his town's conservation commission.
You do conservation by hanging pieces of nonbiodegradable trash in the woods?
Flagging tape definitely degrades. Just try hanging some out to mark control locations 6 months out, and see what you find when you come back 6 months later to hang the controls. Barbed wire is much sturdier than flagging tape, but even it degrades--slowly, unless an orienteer strikes it, in which case it still degrades slowly while the orienteer degrades quickly.
We don't hang it. Wetlands specialists hang it, and we're given a map showing where all the numbered bits of ribbon are. I'm particularly well qualified to use the map in order to find the ribbons. I guess in theory, once the project is complete and a Certificate of Compliance has been issued, the owner/applicant could go out and remove them all. But in practice, it would probably be pretty hard to find any still out there at that point. I'm not sure people even ever remove silt fencing.
I've seen ones been chewed up, I presume they attract some deers or hungry O-ers :)
Chipmunks and squirrels. Rodents love polymers.
So now Swampfox is advocating the use of barbed wire in lieu of flagging tape.
I can see the sequence now. 1) Course setter marks control locations with barbed wire. 2) Vetter visits locations to confirm suitability and gets impaled on barbed wire, making it easier for 3) the person hanging the controls to find the locations by the degrading vetter(s) hanging there.
Must be tough to get enough vetters....
I had no idea that the flagging tap biodegrated that is great!!! I always thought if the peice wasn't there after like 6 months a deer ate it. and i have seen some pieces that have lasted a while like a year or more.
and i would think it would be hard to get course setters as well, as they would probably get pretty cut up hanging the stuff. so where is this? so i know to be careful when coming into the control and not do my normal slide into the GO control.
Well, while I'm sure most flagging tape would eventually end up in some kind of biological waste mixture, there's actually specifically biodegradable flagging tape, like this
, made from "nonwoven cellulosic material derived from wood pulp." That's what I was thinking of...
It is all not about one might know about flagging tape because it's widely used to delineate wetland areas, and one might be on his town's conservation commission. It is all about group of people who seriously discuss prettinnes of marking tape colors and its enviromental impact :) If you are not in the group - you are not real orienteer :)
In TX, where orienteers are indeed tough, we use barbed wire:
* To mark control locations.
* To make compass lanyards.
* To hang our whistles around our necks.
* For finish line chutes.
* For the little troll "string"-O.
... and more.
Of course, one type of barbed wire won't suit for all of those purposes so we have a varied assortment of spools at the ready. For more information about barbed wire go here
. (This is required reading before being granted membership in NTOA or HOC.)
Actually, at least some barbed wire does degrade, via a nice rusty well-camoflaged color. (Having been degraded by three strands that only survived between one pair of trees.)
Tom I especially like the barbed wire for string-o. That's a vicious mental image.
You all really are tougher in Texas.
Maybe. In MN we only have string-o when the temperature is colder than 0 degrees.
Oh. And they can only wear shorts.
153. When all of this discussion about flagging versus barbed wire brings thoughts, pleasant thoughts at that, of getting back out into the woods, even if there is still a foot of snow in most places, and where the snow is fading away, the mud has taken over.
154. When you have feelings of inadequacy because you only have one (rather boring) color of flagging in your car, even if it's the super large roll, and you can't remember when you didn't have a roll of flagging in your car.
155. When you have extra-wide flagging tape in your car, yellow in color, with the word TIMEX emblazoned all over it.
156. When you start thinking it is perfectly ok to use flagging tape to tie your hair up, for o-ing, for school, or any other ocation. (or am i just weirder than most?)
By the way, that is the back of MY van at the Flying Pig that cedarcreek photographed! While you're at it, why don't you post the picture you took of the control stand wall of my garage?
157. When your balcony is full of hanging/standing O-gear and you don't bother to hide it.
[so many messages, hope I'm not repeating anything...]
157 a. When you move home to be near some granite and move into an environmentally based profession so that you can at least spend some of your time exploring it.
157 b. When you make maps for a living.
158. When your mobile phone (cell phone) ring tone - is beep-beep-beep-beep-BEEP!
159. When your O shoe are full of woodland from up to a month ago but your the only who doesn’t think there disgusting
160. When your in the car and you make a map in your head of every thing you pass
161. When you see three numbers and you think it's a control code
162. when your sitting in English class and your talking about Hamlet and you first think of the convo you had at o-ing not that long ago about it. And then your English teacher starts talking about counters and how hamlets soliloquy's have a lot of counters that go up and down and then you start thinking about your West Point green course you ran this past weekend and how hilly it was, and just start laughing.
163. when as soon as your allowed to use your laptop in class you come straight here to post this.
When you feel ready to spent time and money on Jukola.
'When you feel ready to spent time and money on Jukola.'
when i read this first time, it didn't look good, but after few seconds I thought it wasn't bad.. but I'm afraid I'm not orienteer yet.. :-/
vyc - you can drive to Jukola in 1 day - for North Americans it's spending some $2-3K...
div.... you haven't driven from Vilnius to Tallinn.... I think you'd get there quicker from California.
well, did it several times - but don't think there could be something worse than Lithuanian- Poland border in 90ies.
this year it would be quite easy to get to Jukola, we have a bus going. It takes about 5 days:observing world cup, training, participating and a trip. I'm not going, but I will some day.. :D and then I will become orienteer!
I might become an orienteer one day as well. But when you are older and slower like me, and you come from a long long way away, team organisation is a problem. At least the Kiwis have further to travel.
165:) ....and when you have a team for JUKOLA. It is quite hard to find enough people that have same interest at same year in our country. I am planning for 2008 and that looks much better than 2009 :).
166: When for 3 days after running in State Park, 1-2 new woodticks appear daily crawling up your legs - after the car-ride to work or home.
167: when after having had a bad ankle sprain you just think at wether you will be able to run at the day after tomorrow's race. I'm desperate :(
168: when you know that running through Poison Oak results in heavy allergic reaction and you'll be itching for the next week or so but you do it once and once again.
169: seeing couple rattle snakes and almost stepping on one of them doesn't trigger thoughts of dropping course or slowing down.
170: seeing tarantula climbing same slope...
171) ...you make navigational errors because of too much blood on your compass.
172. When you use that huge magnifying glass sticked about 5 cm above your thumb compass for any text reading activities.
you cant stop posting your habits in AP
AP IS our life! That's for sure!
174. When two of your birthday presents are things that say orienteering on them. One being a bag from your sister saying "love orienteering" and the other a home made t-shirt from your none orienteering friend saying "you know your an orienteering when... (on the front) you think there's nothing wrong with wearing clothes made up of 6 different colours. (on back)" as that was the one we had a good laugh with and thought was totally true when spending time reading all these posts.
How do you get the starting line ringtone?
175) when it seems logical to use your forehead to navigate thru entanglements of any sort.
176) when you design a variety of O clue sheet symbols that you think should be in the bunch (waterfall, beach, peninsula, dam) and seriously consider sending them in to IOF.
177) when you despair that the best runner in your club is moving up into your age group this year.
178) when your orienteering is the deciding factor in convincing your wife you need to buy a hot tub.
So... how it is that she doesn't think a hot tub would be an excellent idea? One good selling point of a hot tub is the notion that she'd get to use it. I would think that would be enough.
179) when you watch TV commercial:
and you know where exactly on the map is a pit, a guy falls into.
180) when the only decoration you have hanging in your cubicle are o-maps (will also be adding some pictures too because I am tired of being harassed for not having any)
181) when trying to choose a new bank after relocating you go with the one that has a very control like symbol (white half on the bottom) in its logo
182) When you can't wait to get older so that you can move up into the next age group.
On 176, I think a cliff, stream crossing, is a pretty nice IOF description of a waterfall. I think Eric Bone did this once and I've used it at least once since...
183a) When both of your parents teach orienteering
183b) When your friends are all familiar with your house because they have run on it or perhaps mapped it
183c) When a good rainy-day game is to get out the blueprints of your house and hide pennies around the place
184) When you analyze how "good" the mud is- e.g. today's mud
was almost as much fun as O-Ringen's
185) When you have been to over half the U.S. states and several places in Europe but mostly just saw the woods
185b) When you travel, on the rare occasion that it isn't for orienteering, you think about how great orienteering would be there (e.g. southern-central Mexico)
186) When your friends no longer think you're insane, and you have even managed to convince one or two to go hiking out back and swim in the muddy swamp with you
187) When you get lost on the way to someone's house, they tease you about it for being an orienteer, and you protest that you didn't have a map
188) When you know someone who has run into a deer on foot
189) When you are amazed to think that someone might NOT enjoy running around alone off-trail in the woods, possibly in the dark
190) When you have built cairns on your property just so you can map them
I especially like 185 and 185b (Turkey for me... traveling with a non-O friend).
191) When you select your graduate school based not on the quality of its programs, but its proximity to good orienteering terrain (Hello, CSU!)
192) When you have written a wedding card entirely out of IOF symbols (Jon writing for Andrew Komm and Sarah Klaben)
Oh yeah, and how could I forget...
193) When you select your house based on its proximity to a mapped feature so that your orienteering club can have a water stop in your back yard or so you can hold a race that ends with a BBQ at your place.
And then unique to living at West Point..when your neighbors ask you if the cadets who keep crashing out of the woods into our back yards carrying RIFLES are members of the orienteering team! No, no...that would be the biathlon team...
194) When you dont blink at seeing 7 year olds out in the bush by themselves for hours at a time.
195) Instead of guessing someones age, you guess what age class they would be in.
196) You think your a celebrity for getting mentioned in the Australian Orienteer! (My sister not me!)
197) You only buy jewelery thats Orienteering friendly
198) When you have enough cloth badges to cover a full sized quilt.
199) When you paint your fingernails to look like orienteering controls.
200) When you have read 200 "you know your an orienteer" comments and can still relate to them and laugh
201) You know what all the letters in "ROGAINE" stand for
Well, there IS some debate on that one. I know two versions. I guess that means I'm definitely an orienteer!
201*) Or when someone mentions ROGAINE your first thought is not the hair growth product.
On my first 24-hour ROGAINE, my partner and I spent some time on long legs coming up with alternate words for the letters in ROGAINE. Our favorite, and the only one that I remember now 16+ years later, was "Rusty Old Gagarin An Inexperienced Novice, Evidentally".
Since I am in the process of reverting to childhood (mentally at least), I would think the last word should be Eventually.
Or.... the brainchild of 3 Aussie friends:
Anyone know for real?
Name (by an)
202: You know you are an orienteer when you insist you are not a rogainer.
BTW It should be ROGAM, not ROGAINE
Rudimentary Orienteering Given An Incomplete Map
In a local running magazine last month there was a promotional article for rogaining, given the headline:
"Rogaining: Orienteering on Steroids".
Thats strange. Perhaps they have never seen a sprint orienteering event. I always think of Rogaining as:
"Orienteering on Tranquilizers".
But probably also on an extremely inaccurate map and often in horrible terrain and with quite a few misplaced controls.
I do quite a few rogaines, but I choose very carefully, preferring runnable terrain and an experienced orienteer as a course setter. I have set one, a 6 hour, but I used 6 orienteering maps joined into one mega map at 1-20,000. The map included quite a bit of gold mining and about a quarter of the controls were set so you had to find the feature rather than the kite. I received some really interesting comments and complaints.
* One prominent adventure racer though t it was unfair because you couldn't see every kite from 50 metres away.
* Some rogainers complained that the map was accurate and this did away with the 'detective work' that a skilled rogainer needs, making the event unfair.
I thought the IN stood for Incompetent Navigators, but I'd settle for ROd, GAIl, and NEil as the sport originated here in Melbourne.
203. Just came across this "gas_turbine I'm getting pulled into this weird orienteering crowd...." One more orienteer to realize the fact of it :)
206. You deeply missed this thread and are excited to see it back
207. You go out for a run and when you come back your shoes are cleaner than they were before, because this time you didn't go through thigh height muck and the running knocked off some of the dust.
208. As for 204 but substitute 'world' for 'country'.
yah im glad this thread is back
209. when cant finding any normal wrapping paper so you wrap presents in old orienteering maps
(i have just given up on buying wrapping paper now)
210. when you cringe to think of defacing or discarding an orienteering map...no matter how many other copies you might have. Every orienteering run is memorable...in some way!
207b: you're glad to see a sand-dune map scheduled for the last race of a long weekend or carnival as that increases the chance of just having to shake your shoes out rather than cleaning them properly.
211: instead of describing this list as having subclauses (eg 207b) you can't decide if the better term would be splits, forks or gaffles.
212: when there are almost as many ppl in the facebook group named after this threadas there are posts
213: when your answer to Le Mans is the 24-hour drive home from Laramie Daze (which makes the drive to Moncton for the COCs seem like a walk in the park).
rogaine is a hair growth product??!?! it all makes sense....
214: When you try to fold the refedex while your driving so you can 'thumb' where your going..
215: When you slip running down some bare rock and u put your arm out to brake your fall... then just before impact, you rethink and decide to mangle your elbow and shoulder rather than risk scratching ur compass..
216: When your neck reacts with lightning speed to glance subconsciously at anything orange while your running.. even if your inside a stadium on an oval..
217: When you almost ruin a laminator by trying to preserve a ripped up, blood and mud stained map because it was a memorable run..
218: When you reach for the strapping tape or duct tape to fix any clothes at all not just shoes i.e. temporarily bring up pants legs on a suit.
219: When you momentarily consider wearing your shiny Qld O' Suite to a mates bbq for State of Origin because you had lost your football jersey..
220: When you look at a small strip of Lantana and decide to accelerate through it so you don't get as many scratches rather than try and walk through cautiously or go around it..
221: Your most common thought watching the Olympics is, "Compared to ___________, orienteering is a REAL sport."
222: When relocating across the country for a new job, the first thing you get organised, packed away and ready to go is your o-/running-gear. Alternatively the last thing you get organised, packed away and ready to go is your o-/running-gear as there's always time to fit in one more race or training session
223: When choosing a start date for a new job, you consult the orienteering calendar and decide to start the day after there's a race in the town your new employer is based on....
Regarding 215, "...you rethink and decide to mangle your elbow and shoulder rather than risk scratching ur compass..."
I broke a rib when I tried to break a fall with one arm rather than two---because I didn't want to break the compass.
224: When your friends still dont understand yor sport even after you have explained it numoerous times but they refuse to try it cause every monday you look like an accident victem when they see you
to Cedarcreek.. #215 <-- its certainly one that you truly don't 'get' unless you're an orienteer .. nice work with the rib ;-)
225) when you know the local physio number off by heart
226) When you can always find a thorn to pull out of you, no matter where you are or what time it is.
227) When you know several ways to determine north without compass, but you never use any of them.
228) ....When you watch the Olympics for 6 hours straight trying to find a sport that is less of a spectator sport than orienteering. (Who actualy watched Waterpolo?)
229)....When you refresh the rolling rankings page the night after a meet even though it says it wont be updated for another two weeks.
230)....When you and your friends try to go somewhere and you immediately take charge of navigation or try and beat the others there.
231) When you feel badly taking 74 minutes to finish a 10k road race...until you realize "Hey, that's 7.4 min/km! Not bad!"
I didn't take the time to read all of them, but I got a couple:
232) You know you're an orienteerer when... you aren't afraid to run around in the woods wearing what looks like pajamas.
233) You go on a run with your cross country team on a road that parallels a lake, and when they stop to figure out how far past the lake they've gone, you tell them that there is still about 3/4 of the lake to go... and they disagree.
234) You can tell what vegetation you have run through simply by the feel of the scratches on your legs. (Blackberries feel different to thistles which feel different to tea-tree etc)
235) When you spend some amount of time over an hour reading every reason, while getting told to go to bed for half the time. But trying to make sure you finish cause if you don't its a little like getting a DNF on an Orienteering Course.
236) You propose to your girlfriend on an attackpoint forum.
237) when you spend the bus ride to States for cross country looking out the window and thinking to your self how the scenery would be mapped. and then proceed to ask your father on the way back in the car how some things would be mapped as you weren't sure how the different types of fields would be marked.
238) when you think that because you have never run the course full out before it would be good for you as you wouldn't really know how much more of the course there was and so think you would just focus on the present part like you do on an o-ing course.
Seeing someone has revived the thread, I succumbed.
239) You know you are an orienteer, when on sighting this landscape, your first thought is 'No need for a photogrammetrist".
Limestone Gorge, Northern Territory, Australia.
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no need to map that - just run off the google earth pic. looks like really cool terrain!
Except for the watercourse crossings.... not the safest. Lots of teeth on four legs.
You are planning your drive to a o-meet and you print out the driving directions from the web and then instinctively shove the pages into a map bag to keep the pages dry and safe.
240. ...you read this whole thread even after realizing it started in 2007.
Your daughter comes upstairs at 12:30 at night and doesn't ask questions when she sees you with your headlamp on.
242. ...you write a paper on why you still want to be a teacher and more than a page ends up being about Orienteering and its relation to geology, networking, making friends, science education, and learning in general. then you realize your page is 3.5 pages longer than it should be and you still have to find something to cite...
243...You can recommend a fellow orienteer as a reference to for a paper on Orienteering, teaching, geology, networking, making friends, science education, and learning in general (see Michael Hendricks, Professor in the West Point Geography Department, I bet he's got something that might be helpful!)
244... When you've been a willing victim in an experiment that lead to a paper on the physiology of orienteering.
>> paper on the physiology of orienteering
OH MY GOODNESS!!!! I would like to read that paper. is it comprehensible to people who have never taken physiology/anatomy?
Thanks so much!!! I will definitely look into that!!
245. When you own more o-jerseys than formal shirts. (heh...)
246. When you are taking a shortcuts and your friends are in shock by how much time they could safe for the last few years! :)
I cant wait until we figure out all the red tape and get UNC-CH-O' Jerseys...
247... When you start planning your orienteering themed stag do without any intention of getting married within the foreseeable future :p
248 - You have nothing but O-maps on the floor, on shelves or anywhere else.
249 - you get the following invite to a Saturday night party...
It's Tiomila time again, and we're planning to watch this big Swedish orienteering relay live this Saturday at 5626 Alma Street! It will be a pizza potluck -- we have the dough, you bring your favourite toppings!! Our good friend and formed GVOC star, Henrik Loefaas is running leg #9 for OK Linne, who have big hopes to making into the top 10 again.
For those of you who don't know what Tiomila is, it's a 10 person orienteering relay, with 400 teams. It starts late in the evening in Sweden, and runs through the entire night. It's broadcast live over the internet, which we plan to stream onto a screen (anyone have a projector??).
Please let me know if you plan to come so that we can print enough maps...er I mean make enough dough.
Show up at around 6:30ish.The top teams will just have started leg #6 by then. The expected finish time is 11:05 Vancouver time.
250 - ... and you wish you could go
You ignore given directions and signposts to an event as you believe the route given is not the optimum route choice.
251-you are on routegadget all the time.
252-looking at results of races you have not been.
253 - your friend's stag party involves playing marsh football
250b - and you wish you could go - to that Tiomila party but you are on an orienteering weekend in the U.S. and don't mind paying the ridiculous roaming charges on your iPhone to get Tiomila WorldofO instant blog updates every ten minutes during dinner with O friends...
250c - you try to examine Tiomila route choices on the small screen of said iPhone
254 - when you realize that you have an orienteering sunburn, and instead of getting annoyed by getting burnt you get excited that you can kinda see where your cluesheet holder was.
254b- when the next comment by your friends around you when you figure this out is "Oh my! Can you get a compass tan? That would be so cool!"
255. You see the variegated design on the handle of a plastic spoon, and think, "That would make some interesting O terrain." (Actual occurrence, 8:55 a.m. CT today.)
256. You use a map case to protect important documents.
257. You sit down for dinner with a recent orienteering map as your place mat and study your errors instead of eating your dinner
258. You are watching a Lamborghini being thrashed along a country road on "Top Gear" and you wonder whether the forest really is as good for orienteering as it looks.
I vote 258 the best so far!
I do believe I saw that episode. I thought they were ok woods.
259. You tour a college campus and all you can think about is how badly you want to run a sprint there...
260. You see bits of a Robin Hood movie on TV and your first thought is "I don't remember Sherwood Forest having this much contour detail when I ran a British National Event there once".
260b. You badly want to run in Sherwood Forest after seeing Robin Hood and then you hear that Sherwood Forest isn't really that nice :(
259b. While you are touring, you orient your campus map while you try to get from one class to another.
259c. When you arrive late, you explain it was due to the lack of contour detail.
259d. And you couldn't find a good attack point
256b. You use a dirty, ripped map case for your "gels" on the way through TSA security for your flight home.
261: When you register online for the Flying Pig night-O, which turns out to be cold and icy, causing you to get the flu bug.
262: after reading this discussion for an hour, the only reason you stop is to work on the sprint map that you're creating.
263: then, as a break from mapping, you come back and add to this discussion.
As promised =]
264: when your kid thinks it is perfectly ok (even a great idea) to make gaiters out of chip bags, and then takes her mom's map and runs around the last few sprint controls.
Anna Campbell punching at the buffalo ameet.
standing proud with her new "gaiters"
Note that the "A. Campbell" in the pictures is not the same person as (and is no relation to, as far as I know) the Acampbell who posted them. (Although their fathers have the same name and have sometimes been a source of confusion to people compiling results for rankings.)
(264b) ...when you look at doritos bag gaiters and think, "I'll bet those would work for stinging nettles."
oh right, yeah we are not related. However we do look a bit a like (when i was little) and my sister and i have been known to make things out of unexpected materials. =]
265) During your colleague's seminar on the cost distance modelling he did on juvenile bird dispersal you sit there thinking about how it could revolutionise route choice analysis
266) You consider "The Blair Witch Project" as a boring O-competition, and all the guys lost in the forest as poor orienteers
267) During highest possible competition in the world on your way to gold medal you stop to help injured opponent with whom you just raced with all you have. Not only this but two next athletes stop as well to help to comfort and carry the injured one from the woods. Highest respectes to Anders, Michal, and Thierry for their sportsmanship and humanity!
268) You choose an education that has an international orienteering championship. As a forester I can participate in EFOL, European Foresters? Orienteering Championships. I also think that the railway-people has a world championship...
269) you are an orienteer when...
The REAL orienteer is the girl in the background who was not distracted from her course by her partner's call of nature.
But you gotta appreciate the boy's developing dexterity: dropping his pants and taking care of business with one hand, while the other juggles map, clue sheet and compass...all while absorbed in studying his route choices!
So does it mean he's left handed, right handed or ambidextrous?
The REAL orienteer is the young girl who on a pouring wet day "let go" on the run so as not to loose any time! Her father was actually quite impressed, her mother somewhat less so :-).
270) when your christmas cards involve orienteering:
271) When you want to see this thread win.
274) When your known at training as "Orienting Girl" :/
273 a) - When you, in your family minivan, pass said SUV on aforementioned dirt road.
273 b) - And then, when you get to the next road junction, said SUV is there before you are! (And you want to stop them to ask what their route was.)
275) When you have no SUV, no minivan, no car at all....but navigate through the thicket of public transit jurisdictions in the US, to get to O meets nevertheless.
276) You would rather respond to this thread than the one on logos.
277) you stick your nose up at athletics runners for their so called "cross country" race.
273 c) When you are in a low ride sports car and pass the already proverbial SUV on the dirt roads only to park your car couple of miles later and get a ride from the said SUV because the dirt road became too "dirt"
278) You skip your brother's wedding cause you need to orienteer.
279) You have 1pair of normal shoes and 10 pair of running/orienteering shoes
280) You read ALL the 280 reasons
281) You wish people would put their points on separate posts
282) You get a bit cranky when a friend has their wedding on an orienteering championship weekend
283) you wonder why too few runners see the light....
284) in order to get to the control you climb up rocks that you would never dare to climb up without a rope when you go climbing.
285) You know right away the two interpretations of Orienteering giving you a passion for life
278) You skip your brother's wedding cause you need to orienteer.
I'm skipping the first half of my friend's buck's party this weekend in favour of orienteering. He's not impressed. Thankfully his wedding is the following Friday and orienteering is on the Saturday.
286) You think you can back up in the aftermath of your brother's bucks party to go orienteering
287) You are happy to go out and collect more scratches and bruises ..... even though you have to front up to a wedding wearing a dress.
An extension of number 278.
288) you are hesitant to make non O weekend plans a few months in advance because some O race might just pop up that you want to go to.
289) When you rip a hole in your leg from a bike crash and the first thing you ask the doctor is "Will I make it to O next week?"
289a) You cry when she laughs at you.
278a) You ask your friend if there is suitable O territory at his wedding rehearsal because you want to go for a run before or afterwards.
278b) You cry when he says you have to be clean for the rehearsal.
290) People at your workplace no longer ask where you're going on holidays and instead ask how long your courses are.
291) You classify your friends into two categories: O-friends and non O-friends and the first group has become larger.
...and the second group is slowly beginning to approach zero
292) When asked for your age, you think and answer in 5 year increments
293) You spot two hitch-hikers and pick them up because you recognize them from yesterday's orienteering event. During the first half hour with these strangers talk centers around the route choice on the long leg (even though nobody has a map, it is as if you all do) - and how strange it is that orienteers can talk for so long about 100m difference in distance and 15m difference in elevation
295) ... and then you consider filing a protest because they were clearly just following
299) You know where you have gone on your inter-state holidays for the last 17 years, because you can remember which maps the Easter 3Day and Australian Champs were run on each of those years, with the occasional Oceania or APOC carnival as a bonus.
300) To resolve inevitable family disputes about location of, say, 1995 Aus Champs you have a browser bookmark for the OA archive of National events
My motto is always "Just beat Phil". I am 33 in orienteering years. Phil is in his sixties (or maybe seventies). On the weekend Phil finished the H2 whereas I DNFed.
300) While on an easy trail run on Presque Isle on Lake Superior, you MUST include some off trail running and only think, "What a fantastic terrain for US Middle Course Champs." Oops, nearest US O' Clubs are 400 miles west, south, or SE.
301) When reading about a natural disaster such as the volcanic eruption in Iceland, all you can think is..."Cool! Night-O 24/7!"
302) And all the competition is stuck in Europe!!!
303) you think 'if I have kids they're going to be born before march so they're at the top of their year'
304) Your gaze wanders across the Serengeti and you think "This would be really interesting and tricky orienteering terrain, but the lions would be a pain."
305) You watch Man v Wild and wonder when he is going to stumble across a control flag in all that wonderful terrain.
306) You watch last night's Lost and scream, "Dude, you're obviously a smart guy, you've been living on this island for 30 years, how could you NOT find the [insert spoiler here] after specifically looking for it? Just map out the island and systematically search! It's obviously in a [insert terrain feature spoiler here], so it can't be that hard!"
307-425) Realizing that pretty much every single previous episode had a similar fault.
Sadly , sometimes I orienteer like I'm on the island, but our jungle is yet to produce polar bears or black smoke.
308 - when your classmates look at your latest sculpture installation and suggest it looks like a topographic map
309) When you teach your children know orienteering symbols before the alphabet.
"115) you wear gaiters with shorts"
Thats how i roll
309) when you get annoyed with clearly bad route choices from your non O friends on a pub crawl.
310) when you tell your friends your going to be out of town during the party/dance/whatever they regularly reply saying, "oh, is it one of those orientating things?" (and then i calmly corret their pronunciation :)
311) You tell your sometimes orienteering friend off for planning housewarmings/birthday parties on orientating (sic) weekends away. Both the housewarming and birthday were late so it could have been on another weekend!
311) when you are sitting down for dinner at a restaurant and your group begins to do route comparison on a map which is printed on your shirt.
...map which is printed on your shirt
The 2010 Interscholastics / Flying Pig T-shirt perhaps?
*304) Your gaze wanders across the Serengeti and you think "This would be really interesting and tricky orienteering terrain, but the lions would be a pain."
312) You've seriously contemplated - and even discussed with some hard-core explosives experts - whether it's safe to run desert intervals in what appears to be a technically complex and very interesting area recently cleared of the "explosive remnants of war."
And what was their answer???
@Guy: the map was on the TJOC shirts this year.
313) As you fill out the police forms detailing what was taken by the thieves who broke into your car while you were out on a run, you realize most of the items with sentimental or financial value were orienteering-related ...
313) As you fill out the police forms...
glennon, I sure hope this is not based on personal experience.
314) When you put your kids in a bilingual program thinking they'll learn both ISOM and ISSOM
315) ...you know more than you care to know about Lyme Disease
, including typical symptoms other than the erythema migrans
(EM) bullseye rash (which some claim is seen in only 50% of cases); know to warn people about too much sun exposure when they're on doxycycline; and *way* more than you care to know about Gram-negative, spirochetal Borrelia burgdorferi
(Bb) bacteria, Western Blot IgM and IgG lab tests, and the risk of myriad lifelong neurological and rheumatological dysfunctions.
Sounds like fun. You guys should all move to Australia - all we have is snakes and spiders. Either they kill you, or they don't bite you. None of this lingering rheumatowhomewhatsit disambiguology.
Or crocs up north and bullants down south.
@Juffy you forgot mosquitoes, scorpions and stinging jellyfish (you never know the course setters whim) and not to forget the ubiquitous Kangaroo tick, known to leave festering skin lesions and bearer of tick typhus and Q-fever (but not yet reported in WA) :-)
Medical disclaimer -can't claim #316 on this one.
316) When you use carpet cleaner on your o-socks because nothing else will work...
YKYAAO when you sit on the toilet in the golf club locker room, looking at the grain of the wood veneer of the door and think it looks like the contours on the map of an old strip mining area. It so engrosses you trying to figure out what is up and what is down that you must run to make your tee time.
You're nutty enough to have a sense of the previous 390 posts:-).
@ Juffy - I've also heard about a thorny jumping bush - I think biddy found that one recently?
Jumping cactus, fun plants they are.
"But I didn't even step on it yet here it is stuck in the side of my foot."
317) when approaching a crew pouring concrete for a sidewalk on my way to Mangia Italiano's for lunch, a worker says "You can't get through that way." I think, "But if I go around this fence, across the gravel parking lot, turn right at end of next fence, and go between those two orange plastic fences, I COULD make it without hitting resh concrete."
However, I treated the crew man's warning as a mapped patch of olive green and took the street route.
myriad lifelong neurological and rheumatological
Tell me about the neurological myriad. I don't even want to think what it'll be like when the rheumatology decides to show up.
You think O-cartography makes ideal postage stamp art
and pass that fact along to USPS.
... missing controls 6 and 7 from the Blue (or Red 5-6)...
a map puzzle would make a fun stamp collection ;)
You are lost at the mall without a map.
You turn your head upside down looking at the mall map because it isn't oriented.
You go around the mall because it is a faster route choice to your car.
319: there is a terrorist attack in the city where you are and your family's first move is to check whether you've made any pertinent comments in your AP log yet.
320. when you return to the White Rose
321: when you spend days debating the minutiae of the rules of the sport, particularly with regard to GPS useage.
when you try to figure out how you can conceal your garmin in your underwear so that you can run without being DSQ'd...and still be able to see where you went after.
322. when you use GPS not to know where you are or you're going but to know where you were and when.
323. when you don't even consider that GPS might stand for something else, like... Giant Penguin Slingshot or Gathering for Prayer and Study or Girlfriend Positioning System
I kid you not
324. when you spend days debating the minutiae of the rules of the sport for a US Championship, but do not discuss the athletic achievements, route choice, training plan and/ or future goals of the champions of the race itself.
You know you are not computer compliant when you cannot create a working link
Girlfriend Positioning System? I kid you not
(Gabungan Perusahaan Sejenis - anyone??)
on a glorious sunny autumn drive from Wodonga to Sydney (about 600 kilometres) I contemplate the wonderful gullies, spurs, knoll etc I could visit if an O event was set there.
Was thinking of reviving this "dead thread" as a distraction from the GPS thread & found it had come alive again on its own...
"When I hit the GO control
, I come to a complete stop (and hopefully go no further). It's been that way some 10 years."
327. When you have an O map as the start-up image on your digital camera.
328. you read through all previous 413 posts when you can't sleep.
BTW, Gu does not make a perfectly acceptable meal, but you still eat it.
329. You know you are an orienteer when... You count paces to estimate distance traveled, even though you have a GPS strapped your wrist.
"When I hit the GO control, I come to a complete stop (and hopefully go no further). It's been that way some 10 years."
You stop? So, what part of "GO" is it that you don't understand, Bob? (Maybe you should hang a couple of concentric purple circles in your garage.)
Don't know if it's been done, but...
330. Other employees at your work have family photos, children's drawings, etc to decorate their workspace. You have orienteering certificates.
jj: Well, I haven't driven thru the end of the garage yet - and not a few times have I returned from some 'lively' evening*... (what part of the photo is it that don't you understand?:)
*tho' it's really about breathing room
Yes, this is much for fun than the sister thread.
When you ask your cross country/track coach if they know what orienteering is because you know you will have to explain why you will miss a few meets :)
@Tricky what are they for - can't be real Foot-O
332) You know you are a real orienteer when you refuse to use the term 'Foot-O'.
Metro series and New Zealand. I have a badge to show off for the 'foot-O' State Champs because apparently certificates aren't considered worthy enough.
...and there were only 3 competitors
Way to boost my O cred, Fletch :-(
Just artificialy inflating the post total here to keep the GPS thread posters on their toes...
I doubt they will catch us. After 100+ posts it has been pointed out that the discussion has been based upon a misunderstanding of your rules. Or maybe they will have to start again.
Me thinks you liked being the last postee for this thread for so long... :-)
The postee just delivered 48 Cadbury Creme Eggs to me workplace.
I think Pink Sox was waiting for that...
48? Should last you a couple of days until the Easter Bunny does his thing.
333: You create a map for the kiddies to hunt for Easter eggs but are dissatisfied with the amount of granite in your backyard. You don't really like the idea of "bingo" egg locations.
That's brilliant. I just might do that this weekend. My kids would love it. Thanks!
Orienteering Cincinnati's annual Easter Egg Orienteering
is this Saturday! Every club should try this!
I only have 40 eggs left :-(
I thought it was only women that had a finite number of eggs?
I'm going to go round up my mouse harem and get to work.
you can conceal your garmin in your underwear so that you can ... be able to see where you went
Maybe I'm feeling the affects of growing older, or maybe I'm spending too much time with my grandkids - but that really sounds gross ;-) I sure don't care where the kid "went", I just hope I'm not the one that has to change the diaper.
Speaking of grandkids
334) You set up an orienteering course for your grandkid and then get really disappointed when he misses the red-block control - it was so obvious!
I don't know, the terrain seems pretty featureless around it. There are no contours, rocks or anything. Maybe he's heading for the squiggly play-thing to use as an attack point.
He should have "pace counted" using the floor boards as a measure of distance.
The squiggly thing certainly is a catching feature. I'd go for it.
I'll add: you know you're an orienteer
334-a) When you first see AZ's photo - your eye immediately goes to the map, and you try to read it and recognize where it is.
If he'd been wearing a GPS he could have checked distance and wouldn't need to pacecount ;)
Maybe he has one in his pants.
Is that a GPS in your pants or are you just happy to see me?
335 - Your revison is done on the back of O maps and everyone in class asks about them
If you were a real orienteer you'd put your maps in a safe place and not be drawing on them.
As an ex real orienteer, my map collection was one of first items of my list of personal possesions not to be shared when it came time for a division of assets post marital mayhem.
Would she have wanted them?
tRicky - My maps are in a safe place its a note pad of old maps sections from the Welsh Champs
And as for the ex of an ex? It was the fact that I treasured them that was of interest to her.
So... to set it in the context of this thread
336: You know you are an orienteer when the division of maps is a divorce settlement issue. ?
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