Discussion: Map and results

Here is the map (course shown is GreenX, used for M18 and M50/55/60). Great terrain.

I'm pretty sure winners were Will Hawkins (Ross was second, Leif third) and Samantha Saeger (Pavlina second, Cristina third???). But not 100% sure.

Excellent event. Cold, windy, but no rain.

My source tells me M21 was Will (~77), Ross (~80), Leif (~84), then maybe Ken and Boris but there might be someone else in there after Leif.

CSU 1-2!

Thanks for the update. Time for bed for me. Say hi to everyone!

Nice looking terrain, challenging! Good course. Still not sure what I'd do for #2 after looking for awhile. Wish it were closer to here.

I think it was Boris then Eric then Ken, but I could be wrong.

Results posted here:
http://userpages.chorus.net/kevin/Results.htm

Sooo close....

That was me posting the last entry....

(Valerie had a terrific run!)

Sandy and Valerie -- congrats on your Championship medals (1st and 2nd), and thanks so much for all your great work on SI/results. Good luck tomorrow.

Super courses in a challenging area today. Looking forward to tomorrow's courses too. Thanks to Badger and helpers for the great weekend so far.

Top performers analysis from O-scores is here

Those with !! are THE BEST (Compare actual and estimated times...)
Have good run tomorrow!

The two day total results are posted at the web address above, the results link on the champs website. They follow the 1 day champs results. Just toggle down to see them.

This was a truly outstanding meet, one of the best I can remember. Thanks to all those involved, particularly Kevin Teschendorf, but also all the others, for all their hard work. (And to the glaciers for the terrain.)

Dang I sure am bummed I missed it. But flights from Canadia were ridicously expensive and were taking over 24h to get there....
Would have loved to come.
Congrats everybody

I'll second feet's comments. I think this stands as my favorite orienteering meet in my five years in the sport. Thanks to Kevin, the rest of Badger Orienteering, and everyone else who made it happen!

Here is the map from Sunday (course shown is Green, used for M18 and M50/55/60, plus F20 and F35/40/45/50). Again, great terrain.

It was simply great. Thanks!

Great meet! thanks to all who helped to make it happen!

WinSplits are posted.

US Champs - by Classes

US Champs - by Courses

Sunday - by Courses

Sunday - by Class

RoutgeGadget - hopfefully by this evening...

What's the deal with that crazy-cool terrain? Why the dimples in the ground all over the place? Somehow glacial? Or just giants' footprints?

RouteGadget for both days is now available at:

http://www.vmeyer.net/gadget/cgi-bin/reitti.cgi

hughmac-

Entirely due to the glaciers... huge ice chunks were buried under the soil and then as it melted, the depressions formed. Thus the "kettle" in Kettle Moraine State Forest.

This was a great event, and I loved seeing everybody.
Today, the day after the event I see that the gridlines are 250 meters apart. That threw me because on Saturday's race, leg 2 on GreenX, I thought I was going 1.5 kilometers, but in fact it was only 750 meters. Did anybody else make this same oversight? I'm not complaining, but this did throw me. What is the standard for gridlines?

The spacing between north lines should be between 20 mm and 40 mm on the map.

From ISOM2000:

"Magnetic north lines are lines placed on the map pointing to magnetic north. Their spacing on the map should be 33.33mmwhich represents 500mon the ground at the scale of 1:15 000. For maps with other scales lines placing should be at intervals which represents a round number of meters (e.g. 50 m, 100 m, 250 m, 500 m) and the
spacing should be between 20mmand 40mmon the map.

White, brown & upside down...indeed great maps/courses as viewed from the spectators' gallery.

250 m north line spacing is normal for a 1:10000 map.

Major plus of this meet was the great terrain.

The map was of modest quality, yet almost always adequate, "small depression" symbol was often misused, which made the map less readable.

I didn't go out and look at the map at a walk, but I certainly didn't have any issues with the small depression symbol. I thought the map was quite consistent.

I thought the map was great. Contours were excellent as long as you read the meet notes (about the use of the "u"), and adjusted. I don't remember ever thinking something looked different than I expected.

i thought map was excellent based upon both running both days and walking around on the really intricate areas in the late afternoon sunshine on Sat and Sunday when doing control retrieval .

I did find 2 unmapped hunter's stands but once again i think the meet notes said they were inconsistently mapped (the 2 in question may well have been constructed for this hunting season)

The course/map notes indicated that the small depression symbol was used in place of form-line depression symbols to improve readability. While it took some getting used to -- especially being from an area where the small depression symbol is typically used for a shallow, man-made hole.

I had no problem with understanding the small depressions as mapped. On the other hand, I felt the dot knoll symbol was slightly over-used where larger knolls or small hills could have been represented by a small contour or form line ring. Just a couple places where I felt I was looking at a feature larger than what I would ordinarily consider a dot knoll.

But, overall the mapping was excellent. Since the hunting blinds change over time, probably even faster than rootstocks, I'd consider leaving them off. Although, they really helped me a couple times on the course. None were mapped on the day 2 side of the map, although I saw several there.

I like the area and the map. I was thrown at the second to last control on Day 2 green (#12), cause I thought I was looking for a shallow depression on the top of a hill. Turns out it wasn't a hill but a deep depression; the mapper forgot to show the tick marks! I suppose it was bound to happen on a map with so much negative terrain but they might want to fix it for there next event.

Great map, terrain, and courses. I felt that the small depression symbol and the dot knoll were generalized in the same way. The model event/area was good for sorting that out - I found very consistent use of both symbols.

I too lost time on Green #12 looking for the 'saddle'. Luckily there was a u-turn trail bend attack point for Green #12 - hmm, that 30m on a bearing sure looks downhill !

The convoluted trail network in 2nd half of Sunday Green was a new experience for me. (Like Coach said, "Felt like Ski O.", which I have never done.) On #10 to #11 I used or crossed at least 7 distinct trails. great use of the area. Fun!

Map, terrain, courses were really fun. Great area. I also had trouble with tick mark usage or non-usage on the Brown course Sunday. Enroute to our #2 there was a large area of concentric contour lines that I could not figure out on the run. Settled on smaller depression on top of a large hill. Entire "hill" actually a large depression with no tick marks in the area. Spent quite a while on the plane home finally figuring it out.

On the other hand, I found the ticks on the down slopes of hills to be disconcerting and extra.

Thanks for the great feedback gentlemen. It will help me improve my mapping in the future.

So when we come back for the next meet;-}

Thanks bgr for great courses on great maps!

Curiousity question (pun intended): What's the story behind the "Cat" map names?

I found the map to be outstanding. It had the precision of the lidar upon which it was based, but without all the popcorn and jaggedness in the flatter areas, so clearly a lot of care was taken to render the terrain legibly. The courses, terrain and organization were great, as well.

A few more tick marks on the map would have helped in some places, but they do need to be balanced with graphical clarity, and some up-versus-down confusion is practically inevitable in this type of terrain.

Cat names.....When I first saw the terrain used on Saturday, I thought it was some of the best I'd ever seen, so I decided to call the map the Cat's Meow. When I had time to map more of the area across the road, I decided to used another name and I picked Cat's Agenda, a name I took from a pet store in Madison. With 2 more sections to map, it was obvious they would adopt cat names, too. Being a SKA fan, Hepcat made the list. The area you didn't get a chance to run on is called Cat's Pajamas and is south of the power lines at the bottom of Cat's Agenda. I was given that suggestion from one of our club members.

Another interesting tidbit about the maps is when combined they contain a contour line that is 32K long.

Walk, you're welcome to come back each spring and fall when we hold local events on these maps. As for another national event don't hold your breathe. I'm completely knackered from this one. Maybe in another 5 years.....

I actually saw a cat while out on my course on Sunday. She was curled up under a tree branch that I stepped on while recovering from a spectacular crash. The kitty looked just like mine back home (all black) only with different eyes. The strange part was that she didn't move after I had practically stepped on her and just looked at me as I said, "hi kitty!" Either a very friendly cat, or a very sick one.

As for the rest of the meet, I'll join in the chorus of kudos to BGR and bgr for a great weekend. Proof that you don't need lots of bells and whistles to have a fantastic meet - just great terrain, smooth organization, and a cool banquet. Thanks!

I don't normally go to orienteering banquets, but if they were all like that one I would.

Just for future reference, what in particular did you like about the banquet? :-)

For example, I found the food to be delicious, and the bar handy.

As for the map, the tag lines helped (where they were visible) a lot. My problem seems to be my vision, which the map can't address (unless you let Brown run on 1:7500).

The food was great, and there seemed to be enough of it.

The bar was nice and unusual for an A event. Spotted Cow was a nice discovery.

The very nicely printed large maps for course drawing were great. (I was curious to see white through orange, too--not sure if they were there and I understand that route choice isn't generally as important on those courses.)

My guess was that White-Orange weren't there because that was the competition area for the 2nd day.

I also really liked having the large printed maps. I also liked the expediency of the awards ceremony, though of course it could have been even shorter if there had been 10 year age groups. ;-)

OK, I haven't put my routes into RouteGadget yet either, but let's just do it! ;)

http://www.vmeyer.net/gadget/cgi-bin/reitti.cgi

The large printed maps and especially the drawn routes of the course winners were useful and expedient. Going over route gadget after a meet isn't as social or informative; the course is much more memorable the evening after.

The meet was of the highest caliber; I'm very glad I elected to attend. Many thanks to all the organizers, volunteers, and contributors.

Yes, great meet, great maps. I thought the u and the dot knolls were fine. The green mapping was good as well IMHO.

I think this map will be perfect for a night-O championship.