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Discussion: New Year 100's

in: Orienteering; General

Jan 2, 2005 12:58 AM # 
I noticed that several people on AP planned New Year's Day O training. What a great start to the year! Can they keep it up? I propose two contests, one easy, one hard.

First the easy one: who will be the first person on AP to find 100 controls in 2005? Any training runs or organized event would count, as long as you ran a course drawn on a map. Maybe we can get 100% of the AP regulars to hit at least 100 controls this year? Just post a message when you have found your 100th control.

Now the hard one: can anyone log 100 hours of orienteering in 2005? I propose that regular meets, rogaines, training and goat events count towards the total, but not mapping or adventure races. This would be tough to do, but possible, especially for those living in Europe. Do you think anyone can do it?
Jan 2, 2005 3:42 AM # 
100 hours is possible, it looks like I did it in 2001. I guess I did spend 10 weeks in europe that year.

my time per year where activitytype = 'Orienteering' :
2000 77:56:27
2001 104:59:41
2002 67:22:18
2003 45:11:58
2004 47:06:35

I'm directly querying the attackpoint data to get that info, but I will be working on a few things to make it easy for anyone to calculate this sort of thing for themselves. stay tuned...
Jan 2, 2005 4:27 AM # 
The last year when I *didn't* spend 100+ hours orienteering was 1998, when I did only 91. 1997, 1991, and 1990 were also over 100 hours. I've twice been over 150 hours, in 1990, and in 2002 when I hit the high-water mark with 159 (that's getting pretty close to a solid week!). Looking back over the 16 years since 1989 (the first year when I was running Blue), I've averaged just shy of 97 hours annually.

Counting just races, I'll probably hit 100 controls sometime in February. I don't expect to do 100 hours this year, though.

Hmm, maybe I should get a life or something.
Jan 2, 2005 4:29 AM # 
How does one find that many controls to find? Seriously.
Jan 2, 2005 12:39 PM # 
2004 "O" hours = 100.5 (pfew just made the century). 75 hours of "O" in Ontario (8 Sweden, 11 Yukon, 6 USA). "O" training was 27% of total training in 2004. The goal was 33% but I was injured for the prime "O" training period from July-Oct. Check out my year-end comments for other totals.
Jan 2, 2005 12:47 PM # 
I would be a good candidate for 100 hours, since I go to a lot of meets and I'm SLOW. Afraid I haven't counted, and I'm unlikely to count this year, either.
Jan 2, 2005 1:17 PM # 
Does vetting control ribbons count as a control? I'm checking out the controls for the Feb A meet here in TX. Checked 52 locations yesterday and will hit another 50 today. Not really a "course" though, more like a score-O.
Jan 2, 2005 2:03 PM # 
there are about 16 controls hanging at Surebridge, since we were too cold/tired/lazy to retrieve them yesterday (except for the one control that was marked by Greg's shirt.....don't ask).
Jan 2, 2005 4:13 PM # 
With lots of Bonus-O (additional time on course screwing up), I had 181 hours in 47 events in 2004. I do Blue at most local meets.
Jan 2, 2005 5:33 PM # 
So maybe the real performance goal here should be the person with the *lowest* minutes per K?
Or in this vein, most controls per hour?
This could be no doubt gleaned from A! data.......
Jan 2, 2005 5:34 PM # 
Perhaps a prize for the first person to reach 100 controls, in the least anount of time.
A real head to head race!
Jan 2, 2005 8:35 PM # 
The race may already be over. Tom, if you vetted 102 controls this weekend, that certainly counts! Are you the first to reach 100 controls in 2005?
Jan 3, 2005 12:00 AM # 
Yes, in the "Vetting ribbons, score-O-style, blue-through-white-difficulty" category, I had a 102 controls. Today was a bit of a chore as it rained the whole time and I finished wet, cold, and a muddy mess.
Jan 3, 2005 8:15 PM # 
Min/km is something I look at, but I've never had the interest to do what it takes to really get mine down. Specifically, avoid Rogaines completely. I have had dim aspirations of someday having a year where I averaged better than 10 min/km for the year, but the best way to do that is to stick to short, high-speed races, and I'm not interested in excluding the long ones.

Hey Valerie, according to your numbers, you averaged something like 3:51 per race. Did you have a few Rogaines in there?

I believe Spike is also getting close to the 100 control mark -- his blog indicates that he did 95 controls in training over the weekend.
Jan 3, 2005 9:59 PM # 
I'm at 75 for 2005. 20 of the 95 controls on the weekend were on 12/31/04.
Jan 3, 2005 11:28 PM # 
JJ is correct - and the same thought came to me in the middle of the night - I was not so slow that I did a 3+ hours per race pace last year...the 181 was my miles for those O meets. :)

My actual time at O meets was ~80 hours, trail running ~ 14 miles, and running 10 min/mile or faster ~ 10 hours. So, my correct time training for, or at O meets, was 104 hours in 2004. Yeah, I still made it!!
Jan 4, 2005 12:02 AM # 
Is there some secret easy way to figure out all these totals or do people have their own logs? I dumped my last years training from Attackpoint into a cvs file and manipulated it in Excel. Is there a better way? Is there an archive dump which includes the control count as well? Oh, and I was well short of 100 hours orienteering. Needed to do 2 rogaines to put me over.
Orienteering 58.4 hours 20.45%
run 58.8 hours 20.6%
square dance 146.85 hours 51.5% (No surprise here)
Jan 4, 2005 12:37 AM # 
Excel is the best way at the moment. I've updated the CSV export to include all the training fields (including control count).
Jan 4, 2005 2:41 AM # 
Year 2004:
Orienteering - 77.7 hours
Running - 96.7 hours
Other - 40.3 hours
Jan 4, 2005 3:26 AM # 
56 O' races, 779 controls
21 O' training sessions, 227 controls
15 woods runs with map

Orienteering/rogaining - 93.4 hours
Running - 145.6
Biking - 77.5
Other - 29.4
Total - 345.9
A very good year. For 2005, anything similar would be just fine.
Jan 4, 2005 12:13 PM # 
260 hrs of orienteering and running in 2004. don't know whether i broke 100 orienteering or not. hope to this year, and to break 300 running (with or without map). is there an easy way of getting the breakdown by category out of the training logs?

my ass is smaller than yours, boris :)

Jan 4, 2005 10:31 PM # 
2004: Total - 397 hours
Orienteering: 131, Meets, O training, flagging, vetting
Running: 177 of which Road - 29, Trail - 129, Woods - 19
Hiking: 17
XC Skiing: 15
Other stuff: 57

Overall a really fun year. Look for about the same in 2005.
Jan 5, 2005 12:18 AM # 
Neil, I resent these public attacks on my posterior. I happen to think it to be of just the right size. Should we discuss this in a new discussion thread, however?
Jan 5, 2005 4:30 PM # 
2004 Total - 377 hrs
Running - 134 hrs, 913 miles
(road = 46/341; trail = 88/573)
Orienteering - 93 hrs, 573 km
Bike - 8 hrs, 91 miles
Roller ski - 13 hrs, 125 miles
Skiing - 129 hours, 1700 km
(classic = 39/379, skate = 90/1321)

Overall about the same as the last few years. 365 (i.e., 1 hr/day) is my benchmark, so I am happy to be over that. I had some good periods (e.g., pre-WOC) with weeks of 10+, but it's hard to avoid averaging in some low-hour weeks (e.g., a week of canoeing in Yukon).

Orienteering values were higher than I expected, much because of the setting/vetting at Telemark. I will be hard-pressed to match those numbers in '05. I did a good job staying off the roads this year - a lot more orienteering/trail running. Need to even out my classic/skate skiing. This week (it's currently -5 F) should help.
Jan 9, 2005 7:48 PM # 
Some interesting analysis so I thought I would add mine:

Orienteering 100hr15sec, 666 km of which:
- 19 Night-O competitions 110.8 km 19:00 hrs i.e. 10:17 min/km
- 52 O competitions 314 km 43:21 hrs i.e. 8:17 min/km
- 39 O-technique trainings 241 km 37:56 hrs i.e. 9:27 min/km

Run with map terrain/trail 38 sessions 39:20 hrs
Run w/o map road/trail 39:56 hrs
Intervals sessions 7:15 hrs
X-Country Skiing 67:43 hrs
Specific strength training 29:35 hrs
Alternative training (aerobics/bike) 12:50 hrs

Total 296:56 hrs

I'm satisfied with the amount of training particularly considering 4 lost weeks in June (no training at all) due to abdominal surgery, and another 2-3 weeks of recovery thereafter.

Looking forward to 2005 training goals are to increase total volume about 10-15% primarily increasing time in terrain running and orienteering training.
Jan 10, 2005 5:37 AM # 
I came up with 148.7 hours of orienteering (including rogaining, adventure race trekking, control setting/pick-up) for 2004. I haven't yet figured out total orienteering distance (or time and distance for other activities).
Jan 15, 2005 12:50 AM # 
My numbers for comparison purposes:

Exercise bike: 6 hours
orienteering: 84 hours, 442K
(includes mapping time of about 34 hours but
doesn't include drafting or mental/map
Running: 66 hours, 471 miles
Soccer: 44.3 hours,
Volleyball: 21 hours
Other: 27 hours, 28 miles
Mar 6, 2005 5:14 PM # 
OK, I passed 100 controls for 2005 yesterday, though others surely did earlier. More interesting is that at the previous meet I did, on Febriary 6, I passed the 15000 mark for my lifetime total.
Mar 7, 2005 12:14 AM # 
Hey JJ, congratulations on 15,000! But I don't know what to say about the fact that you actually have counted 15,000 controls....

I reached 100 controls today. It took me longer than I expected; I'll try harder next year.
Mar 7, 2005 1:55 AM # 
If you want to hit 100 controls early it helps to be course setter at an event. But not counting controls from the event where I was course setter, I passed 100 controls yesterday. 53 of these were in one weekend, on the two blue courses at Texoma.
Mar 7, 2005 3:32 AM # 
does Adventure racing count? I did 56 controls in one race. but what if I did not find all of them? yesterdays sprints added another 40 plus controls.
Apr 16, 2005 7:46 PM # 
is it just wierd karma that the most important of O races - the Billygoat - just happened to be on the 100th day of the year?

or did the divinely appointed Billygoats plan it that way?
Dec 20, 2005 9:52 PM # 
OK, I know that everyone who completed JJ's mega course found lots of controls this year.

But how many people have logged 100 hours of orienteering in 2005? You have 11 days left.....
Dec 21, 2005 2:13 AM # 
125hr, 1400 controls.

Although I count running on streets with a map (of those streets) in my hand, and loops of a short course near my house that I barely have to check the map any more on...
Dec 21, 2005 3:35 AM # 
Orienteering - 93hr 43min.
Running - 198hr.
Dec 21, 2005 3:52 AM # 
Looks like it will actually be rather close this year. I'm at 98:06 and will probably only get into the woods a few more times this year. Nothing like an ankle injury during the peak of the season to blow your annual total.
Dec 21, 2005 1:56 PM # 
Eyeballing my 2005, which shouldn't include any more orienteering, I look to be in the 120 to 125 hour range, up from somewhere in the neighbourhood of 75 in 2004. I presumably would have just made it without my first rogaine.
Dec 21, 2005 2:07 PM # 
Orienteering - 105:58 since March 12, including some course setting and takedown, but excluding adventure racing. This just shows what you can achieve if you run very, very slowly in a non-elite category! ;-)
Dec 21, 2005 11:04 PM # 
126 hours, up from 77 in 2004.
Dec 21, 2005 11:53 PM # 
Boris played some serious catchup in the last few months!
Dec 22, 2005 3:28 AM # 
A paltry 68 hours. The first time since 1998 (the year I moved back from Colorado) that I've had less than 100 hours. Number of controls was 1008, which is reasonably high, and that was for 58 courses, which is fairly typical. (This counts only races, not training, i.e. I don't give myself any credit here for setting the Mega.) Per km time averaged over the year is 10.61, which looks to be my second-fastest ever (1996 was 10.44 min/km, for essentially the same total distance). Main reason: lots of sprints, and no Rogaines. Other than the Highlander and the Billygoat, there was nothing over 2:30 this year.
Dec 22, 2005 2:33 PM # 
92:26 hours, 1668 controls, O races only. Counting setting, training, models and 'gaines would put it over 100, and possibly over 2K controls. My experience is also that courses are getting shorter on average, yet number of controls per course is increasing.

Dec 23, 2005 1:48 AM # 
Hm, I'm not even close with 64 hours. But (!) 59 of those came after June 26, so my second half was "on pace" for 100. Probably helps that I sometimes spent an extra hour or so on a course over what others did. ;-)
Dec 26, 2005 11:58 PM # 
Just figured out how to get this - 123 hours of O recorded during the year. Some was setting or vetting, and a lot was courses. Seems like a good year. Results did come in well mostly.
Dec 27, 2005 12:08 AM # 
in case anyone else was wondering, the best way is to go to your log (or someone else's), and click on the link near the bottom that says "Years", then click on "2005".

for me, a measly 39 hours this year (lowest since I started recording in 2000).
Dec 27, 2005 1:15 AM # 
Hmmm. Injured, married, and now a dad... That's a few excuses. But 39 hours is also a nice starting target to try to beat in '06, which should be easy if your body cooperates, even with the growing family. Good luck!
Dec 28, 2005 2:25 AM # 
Thanks for the link to training total. With o-meets, rogaines and AR, my nav time totals 137 hours. Just over the 135 hrs of xc skiing so far this year; around 1,500 km. Total training time of 530 hours includes less running time than usual. Plan to increase that in 2006
Dec 30, 2005 8:53 PM # 
I'm going for a more modest goal in 2006 - "50-50-50", i.e. 50 hours of race orienteering, 50 hours of training and 50 hours of long-distance bike rides.

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