Discussion: Can a US Rogaine Champs conflict with WOC?

RMOC is planning a ROGAINE for 2011, and the date that works conflicts with WOC. Do the US Team Members care if it were to be designated US ROGAINE CHAMPS. No we haven't got sanctioning yet, but are working on it.

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Did something like this not come up before... where someone was trying to convince others that WOC and the World Rogaining champs should only be on every second year...

This one does :(

Do you have to call it ROGAINE?

US 24 hour adventure navigation Championships :)

Perhaps someone can convince the owners of the 'rogaine' trademark to send a legal letter to the International Rogaining whatever asking them to cease and desist etc... or perhaps the faux-orienteers had the execrable name first.

24-Hour Adventure Navigation

I like it!!! To put it bluntly, the "ROGAINE" name sucks.

Why bother pretty it up at all? Just "24-Hour" will do. We don't gussy up the names of the other disciplines (Sprint, Middle, Long, Ultra-long, Relay, etc.). I suppose this does leave an organizer in something of a pinch if they want to do a 12-hour event, but even then, what's wrong with a simple 12-Hour designation? Everybody who cares knows that when a time is specified, it's a score-O format and people who don't care may at least be intrigued by 24-Hour rather than amused by ROGAINE.

Back on thread, I think scheduling any national championship against a WOC or JWOC event is bad form.

The overlap between competitive Rogainers and elite (WOC-team) orienteers in the US is practically nill. A quick skim of results shows: 0 WOC team members at the 2010 North American Rogaine champs, 1 WOC team member at the 2009 North American Rogaine champs (Nikolay), 2 WOC team members at the 2008 US Rogaine champs (Nikolay and Erin). Bottom line: virtually none of the WOC team members will go to Rogaine champs whenever it is scheduled.

The US has so many championships that the WOC athletes probably use up their frequent flier miles, money and vacation time long before getting to go to Rogaines. Regardless of the theoretical arguements, past evidence suggests that WOC and US Rogaine Champs is not a significant conflict.

If there was a big overlap problem, you probably couldn't schedule the rogaine 1 week, 2 weeks, etc. before WOC because of recovery issues.

1 WOC team member at the 2009 North American Rogaine champs (Nikolay)

Yeah, one 2010 WOC team member (Nikolay) and one 2009 WOC team member (me). But I agree that it is not a significant conflict. bmay and jeffw have it right.

You guys really don't know where the name rogaine comes from? Probably not surprising. ROd, GAIl and NEil Phillips take the credit for evolving this sport's format (and Neil Phillips invented the IRF too) but I think past members of the Adelaide Uni Mountain Club would beg to differ with them.

Let me guess ... Rod, Gail and Neil have premature baldness issues and you guys at Adelaide thought it would be a good joke to name an entire sport around a hair-regeneration product. The word Rogaine is taken (www.rogaine.com) and we should cut our losses and move on.

I think they were Melbourne Uni types...nothing to do with Adelaide!

BTW, until recently, the product now known as Rogaine was marketed as Regaine - made more sense to me.

Time to move on. Its just score orienteering on bad maps.

The medication was never called Regaine in the USA, purportedly due to some regulatory issues. It's always been Rogaine here, though the situation is different in other countries.

So, which slogan is better?
1. Orienteering - "At one with nature"
2. Rogaine - "A sport that puts hair on your chest"

I think they were Melbourne Uni types...nothing to do with Adelaide!

Ok, I think I'm getting this straight now. ROd, GAIl and NEil were at Melbourne. Meanwhile, VIctoria, AGatha and RAlph were at Adelaide and had their own ideas for naming the sport :-).

Careful, Pfizer may sue, for that suggestion...

"...we should cut our losses and move on."

Was that intentional cleverness? The only time I've ever heard of the hair product of the same name as the sport is when US people bring it up - is it really that common a brand outside of the USA?

One US Team member who won 2009 NA rogaine champs seems to care. I'd say that is significant.

I think if its that big an issue in the US then it can be called something else there, like 'soccer' is to 'football'. It doesnt seem to affect the other 98% of rogaining countries.

It may be an opportunity lost though, I'm sure the pharmaceutical company concerned would love to have the naming rights over an entire sport :)

I will go to France (to party). I won't come to the rogaine. It's OK, one less trip to worry about.

If RMOC were thinking of designating the event as the North American Champs, I would suggest you check it against the European Rogaining Champs since both are now qualifying races for the participation-limited WRC, and some European teams may want to show up. (NARC 2010 was won by a team from Latvia.)

I agree with guskov, I will suggest to the sanction committee, that they only give us the Champs designation if there are no other bids for it.

I heard of at least one other club possibly interested in bidding for the 2011 U.S. Rogaine Championships.

It will probably not be a conflict for me, since I will almost certainly not be going to WOC.

Eric, what?

Eric will be focusing on trail O.

As we all will be. To trail O is to live gloriously, and to be at one with danger.