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| # Posted 2006-11-13 20:45:38 | |
| JDW: | funny how you can't find them when you whoop them, isn't it?
No worries, I took every opportunity to remind them of the trouncing you handed them! |
| # Posted 2006-11-14 00:37:15 | |
| Acampbell: | I know that is the one time when i do want to see them.
and thanks for reminding them!! maybe this will help us get them out. They will have to come back out to try and beat me now. |
| # Posted 2006-11-14 00:42:26 | |
| j-man: | Nice job Alison! It is good to beat up on the boys. Who are these guys anyway? That sounds like a nice challenge -- give them another chance to try to beat you. But, they have to come out again to do it. |
| # Posted 2006-11-14 02:16:42 | |
| Acampbell: | Jonathan De Wolf, Josh Timmons,Tanner Harrison, Eric Frysinger, and Francis T. Miller. john and I have been trying to get his sons out so many be this will work. although i'm trying to start training more so if that works then they won't have a chance! |
| # Posted 2006-11-14 03:59:48 | |
| Maryann: | That's what I like to see - someone who can name names and doesn't hesitate to do it! :-)
Congratulations, Alison. Way to go!! |
| # Posted 2006-11-14 05:31:14 | |
| j-man: | You can take them! |
| # Posted 2006-11-14 05:39:40 | |
| Acampbell: | I can take them easy if I really start training which i'm hoping to do. trying to put to geather a schedule so i have something to follow and i'll actually get out and do it. so if anyone has a schedule they follow or any work outs that really help i'd love to hear them!!! |
| # Posted 2006-11-14 05:59:04 | |
| furlong47: | You can get 'em! I have the same problem in that I can't get stick to a regular training schedule. It's much easier to surf Attackpoint and just think about training... :-P though pretty ineffective |
| # Posted 2006-11-14 06:07:26 | |
| Acampbell: | yep i agree it is much easier just to read about everyone elses training, however it isn't getting my anywhere. I think if i make a schedule i'd stick to it better. I have tried putting "GO FOR RUN" on my to do list however it keeps getting pushed to the bottom.(I put everything on a list, if it isn't on a list it has no chance of getting done!!) I think that is partly do to not having anyone to train with everyday and not knowing how to train. So i think if i come up with a training plane that tells me what to do each day i'll have a much better chance of actually doing it. |
| # Posted 2006-11-14 06:07:57 | |
| Sandy: | More TNT! |
| # Posted 2006-11-14 06:10:58 | |
| Acampbell: | I agree with that sandy!!! |
| # Posted 2006-11-15 21:10:44 | |
| JDW: | Alison, if you're serious about wanted help training, I'd think someone at DVOA might be willing to step up to the plate. Obviously, it would take a commitment from both sides. Perhaps you ought to float a trial balloon, or something.
Maybe even a j-man-type might have worthy input? |
| # Posted 2006-11-16 04:50:41 | |
| lonerunner: | I saw a really funny tee-shirt that you should get; it said on the front,
"I like to run with the big boys" and on the back. "But they just aren't Good enough" |
| # Posted 2006-11-16 06:31:53 | |
| Acampbell: | I should because the "big boys" at my school really aren't good enough. have you seen the t-shirt that says "to orienteer or not to orienteer, what a STUPID question!"?
And John i really am seriouse about wanting to train more. And right now even just having someone help me come up with a schedule i can fallow would be very helpfull. Because part of my problem is i'm not really sure what i should be doing to train. like what kind of running, how far, how many times a week, what kind of map stuff should i do? I have talked to a bunch of juniors my age or a bit older what they do, and they also don't know what to do to train. so maybe USOF or someone should come out with a list of ideas of things the junior development team should be doing to train. i think that would really help!!!!! |
| # Posted 2006-11-16 07:06:13 | |
| j-man: | I'm a big believer in middle school/high school sports. They can teach you how to train and provide the context and motivation to do it at the same time. If you have anything like that available, it would be a shame to not take advantage of it.
Of course cross country/winter track/track is a logical set, but any of them independently would be great, too. Beyond that, there are great resources available for runners. Many people swear by Daniels http://www.amazon.com/Daniels-Running-Formula-Jack... and I personally think it is sound, if not the only solution. I have a copy if you would like to borrow or discuss it. Also, I suspect your dad could provide some tips on training. It is great to take advantage of resources that are close to you. And you should definitely be in touch with Jeff Saeger. He is very knowledgeable and is the junior team coach. He can provide lots more insights and o-specific advice. Other motivation... TNT is at least twice weekly. I know it is hard to get to, but you can count on finding others there to run with if the school thing isn't possible. And look through other people's training logs... although I say that with caution. It is hard to know what to look for, and you don't want to try to immitate Hillary, Marc, Mikell, etc... yet. You may want to take a look at Anna, though. She is engaged in a structured, effective training program. She's been at it a while longer, but it can give you motivation of where you can get to. |
| # Posted 2006-11-16 07:13:52 | |
| Sandy: | Alison - a lot of us are concerned about exactly what you're saying: how to give proper coaching to up and coming juniors. The problem is that there just aren't a lot of qualified folks around that can jump in and say do this, that or the other thing and be confident they are giving you good advice.
The USOF board just approved a budget item to provide money for training camps and coaching and hopefully that will get things started. But I don't even know anyone in DVOA that would be qualified to give good training advice - there might very well be some but I don't know who they are or what appropriate qualifications would be to decide that someone was a good coach. So knowing that I have absolutely no credentials and am totally just making this up from my own experience, my advice would be that the more orienteering at speed that you can do now the better - the advanced navigational skills will come with time but running fast in the woods (not on trails) is something that you need to practice a lot now so that it becomes natural to run hard in the forest and not just on the road and on trails. You're young and fit and training for super speed or endurance is not really crucial now, but getting into good habits about running hard in the woods and learning to read your map while running and being able to concentrate while dodging branches and floating over rocks and simplifying the map and navigating by large features (hill tops, big reentrants, etc.) is what you should be working on now. Which means, getting to events and running on maps as often as possible is the most important thing. But I know that's not easy and not the kind of advice you were looking for. So I would give yourself some easy goals. You need to do some easy running and some harder running - maybe have a goal of at least 4 runs a week with two that are just easy, having fun, going at a pace where you can talk, kind of runs and two where you try to push a little harder for at least some periods of time. These could be track workouts or just runs where you run hard for a minute, easy for a minute, and then repeat. For both of these, I don't think the distance should be too great - you don't want to overdo it and risk injury - and for the harder runs you just want to push hard for parts of it and then recover. So maybe get in two runs during the week and two on the weekend - one of which hopefully will be an O event. Anyway, come to TNT whenever you can, and let me know if you are looking for transportation to events. And maybe someone that actually knows something about training and coaching will jump in and give you better advice. Know that I am keeping you in mind and that if I hear of anything where I can get you some real coaching I will certainly let you know. |
| # Posted 2006-11-16 07:50:05 | |
| Acampbell: | thank you clem and sandy for your advice!!! i have been looking at anna's log and others. and that is kinda of helping.
I do run with a running club at school but they aren't to seriouse about running there, however it is going to be come two times a week that i know is scheduled and i will run. would it be a good idea to take someone elses school Cross country training schedule and start running that? because i do have that and i also looked at another guide line thing that was posted on thewaterstop that was focasted more to orienteers should i do that insted? i guess my main problem is getting out and running. If i have a schedule then there will be more of a chance i'll do it, right now i don't have one. As for running on a map there aren't really any around here that i can get to with out my dad driving me. Except for Lemmon hill which needs to get remaped. and even if i was near a map what kinda of drills would help map reading at speed? is there anyway we could get some people qualified to coach us if they were willing to put the time in? like is there a course they could take? We have spots for regonal coaches for the development team and i have never seen more than one of the spots filled. I think even if we put someone in there that could just act as a mentor and someone we can go to, to get ideas for training and not necessarily someone to tell us to do this, this and this. i think that would help a lot more than not filling them because no one is qualified. i mean i'm lucky that i have all of you who are reading this and helping me but i know other juniors who don't have anyone to talk to. |
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