Discussion: aplogies to everyone

I've been a real jerk to just about everyone in orienteering on this forum and others over the past few years, and I'm truly very sorry about it.

Its all about a couple of specific incidents that really don't matter anymore, but that I'll never get over. I've handled my anger very poorly and regrettably.

So, I truly wish good luck all of you and your respective organizations, and I'm again very sorry for being a jerk to some people around here.

We'll still be here when/if you decide to come back. Enjoy yourself in the meantime.

Well, never to me, and I always thought your posts were well thought out and even though i may not totally have agreed with you, your ideas were well stated.
I think you always presented them as "your opinion" and I don't remember you ever behaving poorly.
I probably could write the same thing, I and many others, behave poorly at times, the only thing you can do is apologize and try hard not to do it again.

I accept your apology and wait patiently for my apology cake to arrive.

I do not accept your apology. I am offended by it. Not that this apology is necessarily directed at me per se, but in its universal qualification, I am besmirched along with everyone here.

So, now you need to apologize. And the apology should involve retracting these notions. I don't know what your intentions are, but they don't seem to be agreeable.

Yes, it is self-serving, but if you leave these shores, I will be left tilting exclusively with T/D, chitown, climate partisans, Trail-O aficionados, Ian, etc., and everyone will become increasingly annoyed. And then, via backward induction, I, too, will need to decamp eventually, trudging off into the wilderness, and then we'll each be intellectually land-locked Diogenes.

So, maybe you have found more entertainment for your dollar somewhere else, but please consider the unintended consequences of your solipsism.

I don't think Diogenes is the plural of Diogenes.

I was wondering about that. What is?

Diogeneseses.

Cake?! We get cake? Cooooool!

ps: Randy, I sincerely hope that your most awesome O-hat will not be idle for too long.

The cake is a... well...

Meanwhile, I may need to take back my comment about Diogenes. The thing is, his name was actually Διογένης, and a noun with an -ης ending in Greek I think changes to an -ες ending when forming the plural, so that would give us Διογένες, and that transliterates to Diogenes. The problem actually lies with his name in the singular, which seems to be popularly mistransliterated, and should probably be Diogenis. The mapping is not one-to-one, as English has the letters i and e (each of which has at the very least a long and a short pronunciation) that have to correspond to ε, η, ι, and υ, as well as various diphthongs like οι and ει, all of which are pronounced like a long e. Not to mention that the γ is not pronounced like a j, and we don't really have a letter that works properly in that role. And the Δ would be better served by a (voiced) Th than a D. So it's more like Thioguenis becoming Thioguenes in the plural.

[edit -- Obvious error in what I wrote above: ε is pronounced like a short e, of course, as is the diphthong αι. But that doesn't affect the conclusion.]

Ok, then.

Well, if I were ever going to hand out the old oyster shell, randy would be one of the last guys I would consider for it. Not sure what this is all about, but I hope to see him back again.

Yes, no ostracon for him.

Clem, you weren't actually offered an apology. It was an aplogy, which I take to be a hybrid of applause and... eulogy? I hope it's not a haplology.

From the "Misery Loves Company" Dept:

You know, usually I find chitownclark's posts to be abrasive in some way, but randy has definitely gone steel wool on this one....

-- Cristina, Sept 19, 2010

JJ's post is all greek to me.
I'm pretty sure the plural would be Diogenii but that may be the case only in courntries where harbor, labor and the like are spelt (spelled) with a 'u'.

...you mean this isn't a place to rant and vent?!?!

Clark, that's not productive.

I don't think Randy needed to apologize, but since he did (which was probably difficult to do) we should accept it gracefully.

orienteering in the USA is at a crossroads. .. it is good to question/challenge the status quo so that the sport adapts to changes in the world at large. Much as we would like to not change, we have to adapt or else slowly contract. Randy has very much helped in that process. Change is always difficult but it has to be done.

dammit i saw the topic and thought Fapos was back!

+1 Shep!!

The Australian contingent makes a contribution to the attackpoint culture disproportionate to its size.

Well. How about that? Maybe there is life outside the borders of the continental United States.

Ian, don't start a diplomatic incident here. Aussies may be able to strike closer than you think (coughcoughPillBullmancoughcough). And they might give you some weird -za nickname. I forget what they do with vowels, though. Iazza? Yazza?

That said, I made it out to Perth in a four month wander way back when. I really liked the place, but remember some local saying, when the third bus still hadn't shown, 'ah, perth, where dreams come to go to sleep'. Just sayin'.

Ian vs. Ian.

Lol. Perth, Western Australia (WA). Where "WA" stands for "Wait Awhile". You yanks have backwoods? That's nothing! We have a capital city that is 1600 miles from the nearest other capital and a state that makes Texas look like a postage stamp. :-)

@Ben - even CSU-aligned, culturally-adjusted and typographically-altered ones. And Perth has come a long way since I left 30 years ago :-)

7cm per year northwards continental drift, so that's about 2.1m it's moved. Pah, you think Perth is isolated, try my current location of Esperance - a mere 780km drive eastish from Perth. No orienteering here.... yet.

Yeah Tooms. What's the story there? No summer series yet? I guess if MTBJen keeps sending you to Perth, it makes it hard.
@BP. I remember you running around Dryandra and other maps. Winning everything in sight. I was just a kid. Small world. Cool title BTW - "Director at large". Kind of the same as my sub-title as ex prez of WARA - "Idiot on the loose"

What, a title that sounds impressive but is suitably vague... Director, Global Operations.

@ Ian, good times and fast terrain (sub 6min/k at dryandra if I recall). Great to see such an active Sandgroper O scene.

@BP Excellent recall. Dryandra = Wandoo woodland. Unique, fast, open. It's been interesting to read about NEOC.

Sandgropers O scene left me behind a long time ago (and probably better for it). I just annoy them now and again on AP and benefit from the shared experience of logging "training". Plus I'm forever pushing the rogaine barrow.

Archetypal thread theft?

Whoops. The ARR has just gone off.