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Discussion: OCAD, CONDES on a Mac?

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Nov 15, 2011 3:15 AM # 
Looking at getting a lap top. Pardon a question from a luddite, but do OCAD and CONDES work on Apple computers - i.e. Mac book pro?
Nov 15, 2011 4:28 AM # 
Yes, but you need some sort of microsoft OS "emmulator" software. There are several out there: parallels, boot camp, darwine, others. I use darwine, which is free. It also has some quirky bugs that I just deal with, but I gather that ocad runs perfectly on the pro versions like parallels. There was a whole thread on this a year or two ago. Maybe someone with energy can dig it up and link here.
Nov 15, 2011 4:41 AM # 
Working fine on mine with Parallels, note you also need a copy of Windows.
Nov 15, 2011 5:51 AM # 
OCAD 8 (demo and full, still OK for course setting) work fine with Crossover, no Windows install required, but I haven't tried with later versions of OCAD. Still use it for map updates without any problems.
Nov 15, 2011 3:45 PM # 
Yes both work fine on Parallels, I did add more RAM to my MBP just to be able to run more stuff alongside.
Nov 15, 2011 9:32 PM # 
Just tried OCAD 9 with Crossover on an iMac and got error messages. Will have to see how Support is.
Nov 15, 2011 9:48 PM # 
Slightly off topic - I run OCAD 8 under Wine on linux without issues, but later versions won't run.
Nov 15, 2011 10:00 PM # 
Interesting to hear of similar issues with wine on linux. I thought the problems might be in the mac port rather than wine itself. I run ocad6 under darwine (wine ported to mac) with only one annoying bug that I work around, but I have a similar experience when I try to run 10 demo. Very slow page repaints, problems with the symbol tables - basically unworkable. Since I only need 6 I get by with that.
Nov 16, 2011 1:40 AM # 
The only glitch I've encountered with version 8 under Ubuntu Studio is that I can't create a new map in OCAD. So I simply open an old map, erase everything and go from there... And my daughters graphics tablet is hooked up to that machine, so sometimes I use it instead of a mouse for drawing - particularly nice for tracing contours.
Mar 6, 2014 4:50 PM # 
I am learning course setting at the DVOA course setting clinic this Saturday, and need to bring my Mac laptop with Condes version 8 working. I'm going to try SOMEthing to get this running, but I'm not sure what yet.

This is the previous thread on the topic, from 2006:

I was hoping some of you computer geniuses might have some more current thoughts on running Condes on a Mac. Thanks!
Mar 6, 2014 6:20 PM # 
Windows 7 laptop being built right now for you anniemac!

That said, it would be interesting to hear what's the latest and greatest for this. I personally use BootCamp, and generally live in the Win7 world, but ... is Parallels still "the" way to do Windows in OSX?

Tried Darwine (that sure looks like a dead project) on my MacBook Air and it runs Condes, but barfs on the vector graphics. Everything is super "fat". Anyone seen and conquered this?
Mar 6, 2014 6:55 PM # 
wine is still supported. You can compile it from source on a mac rather than using the old Darwine precompiled binaries. ocad6 works under wine on my mac, although with some quirks. ocad11viewer also works. SIBoot and SIConfig *do not* work under wine. The advantage of wine vs say Parallels or VirtualBox or one of the other VMs is that you don't have to own (purchase) an MS operating system to install in the virtual machine. The disadvantage is that you are not running your apps on a true MS OS, so not everything will work.

If you already own a MS OS license (like Windows 7), you're better off installing a VM on your mac or linux box and running windows in the VM, then ocad and condes natively on that. You'll have far fewer headaches that way. VirtualBox is free. Dunno whether its any better than Parallels or one of the other VMs. You could also dual-boot, but on a mac just install a VM+Windows 7.

Some motherboards have hardware virtualization that make the software VMs running on them more efficient, but for something like ocad or condes this is probably unimportant. If your MB has this, look in the BIOS for settings. It looks like VirtualBox requires hardware VM in order to install 64-bit OSs, so that may be a concern if your Win OS is 64b.
Mar 6, 2014 9:27 PM # 
Wow! How exciting! Eddie I have no idea what you're talking about...thank god for big brothers...
Mar 6, 2014 9:59 PM # 
Ah yes, VirtualBox! Good call eddie. Good details. I tried the wine dmg and it kept throwing Java errors ... but that was only a cursory look, as by that point I had remembered the Win7 box gathering dust...
Mar 6, 2014 10:51 PM # 
Microsoft have free VMs with various versions of Windows on them (time limited, but should do for planning).

Mar 7, 2014 4:02 AM # 
If you need ocad etc, buy the MS machine. It will work.
Mar 7, 2014 11:16 AM # 
I cannot get Condes to run on my Mac with Windows Parallels for more than 2 minutes at a time without crashing. :( OCAD works fine though.
Mar 8, 2014 10:32 PM # 
I use Bootcamp and haven't had any problems running either OCAD or Condes. But you have to reboot the computer into Windows. You can't run the Windows and MacOS at the same time.
Aug 29, 2014 5:15 PM # 
I'm a newbie to Mac & Ocad. I would like to run Ocad9 on a MacBook with OS X Mavericks v10.9.3.
I gather that Parallels plus Win 7 is a 'safe' option.
Has anyone actual experience of Mavericks/Parallels/Win7/Ocad9 or similar?
Is extra RAM essential?
Any issues with either printing from or scanning survey sheets into Ocad?
Aug 29, 2014 5:53 PM # 
Pink Socks:
Might be worth trying Open Orienteering Mapper (freeware) on a Mac, so you don't have to mess with Parallels and Windows 7.
Aug 29, 2014 6:42 PM # 
I am using Parallels/Ocad10 on Macs for the past four years with XP/Vista/8, all works just fine.

I skipped Windows 7 somehow but expect it would probably work.

RAM is essential, 8G older Macbook Pro and Vista -- performance was not too good, just tolerable, especially once you start using O-Laser alongside.

8G Macbook Air+Windows 8 seemed better. And you get no annoying start screen as a bonus.

32G on a newer Mac and Windows 8 works just great.
Aug 29, 2014 8:45 PM # 
I've been using VMWare Fusion on a stock MacBook Pro with OCAD and Condes for the past 5 years. WinXP on the VM. No issues whatsoever. I leave the VM powered on all the time, put it on a separate desktop, and switch to it with a keystroke. My new MacBook Pro runs Mavericks with 16GB RAM but I'm still using the older version of Fusion. And I've never upgraded from XP, and don't intend to as long as the apps I use are still compatible with it.
Aug 29, 2014 10:16 PM # 
I have VirtualBox on my Mac. Haven't been able to get OCAD or CONDES to function properly.
Aug 30, 2014 4:58 PM # 
I use Parallels on a old school 4 GB air with win 7 and Parallels on a top of the line pro with win 8.

I use condes on both and ocad and condes on the latter.

The latter is a sweet setup but both are viable.
Aug 31, 2014 12:36 PM # 
I run the latest VMWare fusion on my Macbook Pro with 8gb ram. I allocated 4gb to Windows and 4 gb to Mac and it runs fine. I am running Windows 7 and when i want complete stability i just boot up in windows from Bootcamp.
Sep 2, 2014 8:57 AM # 
Thanks to everyone for helpful posts. None of you commented on printing & scanner iput, do I assume they were ok? Also, do the Ocad function keys work OK.
Dec 24, 2014 2:25 PM # 
Anything new on using condes 9 with a Mac? One of our novice course setters is trying to get ti working.
Dec 24, 2014 3:30 PM # 
I run Condes 9 on a mac with VMWare Fusion with XP same as TomN, no problems to date. Since I usually use the Mac side for nearly all of my other software, I use Dropbox as the shuttle between the Mac and Win sides.
Dec 25, 2014 3:12 AM # 
I have VMware (for accessing schools campus wide windows and other various programs), cross over, and parallels. I find that running these programs to operate windows uses a lot of ram and slows down the performance of my computer especially when I'm working with large files such as tiffs and converting DEMs into contours. I believe the best way to run OCAD on a Mac is to install windows with bootcamp which is already on the Mac. This partitions the hard drive and will only run windows or will only run OS X. Also the amount of ram and the processor you have will determine how well the programs will run. Also remember to install a form of virus protection when you install windows on a Mac.

As much as I love my Mac and can perform the same function as a windows computer I sometimes wish I had just a windows computer because of the various amounts of software avaible for windows and the speed that a windows computer will run these programs at.

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