Discussion: results

Unconfirmed preliminary results from the Billygoat:

1st: Will Hawkins
2nd: Boris Granovskiy
3rd: Eric Kemp
4th: Ali Crocker
5th: Sergei Zhyk

6th: Nick Duca
7th: Francis Falardeau
8th: Wyatt Riley

also unofficial... though I vividly remember both of them passing me in the last loop... ;)

Women:
1st: Ali Crocker
2nd: Alex Jospe
3rd: Anna Breton
4th: Elina Breton
5th: Hillary Saeger
6th: Molly Kemp
7th: Angelica Riley

Provisional results (places; with a few times). Phil needs to send me the SI output before I can confirm the times we recorded at the finish line (as well as order of finish).

If you'd like to list your Skip choice and your Fork (left/right) choice, please e-mail me rather than cluttering up this thread. Also, if you see any blatant errors, let me know.

Thanks to everyone for coming! Hope you had a grand time. :-)

The fork and skip info should be available from the SI data, right?

The skip info yes but not the fork info. Both controls on the fork had the same code programmed into the SI so as far as the SI software is concerned they're the same control.

The fork information should still be available by reading the SI units directly, though, right?

I don't see why not.

The two boxes for the forked control were labeled with the same code but actually had different codes programmed in. I think we'll be able to figure it out.

Okay; won't have to clutter my inbox, then.

are the recreational courses' results available?

They're in my e-mail inbox. See my log for why they aren't up yet. :-)

Just finishing up soup and sandwich at Panera/Clifton Park and will be heading home shortly.

Actually, I remembered as I was driving home that Gabor planned to post the recreational results. Competitors were timed to the minute; no seconds were recorded.

Find them here

And please, everyone, be patient for the Billygoat final results, splits, etc. I assure you they'll be up tomorrow.

Billygoat winners with their goats. Photo: Bob Lange (EMPO)

The shirts

And more photos from Bob

Glen and I also took a few photos which we'll get posted when we have a minute or three...

Splits currently up on Winsplits.

I uploaded the wrong file to AP and have asked ken to help me fix it...

In Winsplits, for skipped controls the time is apportioned between the two legs and is indicated in the chart in italics. Most popular skips were 11, 18, and 22 or 23. Leg 5 was forked with the left fork having a long, then short leg whereas the right fork was short, then long. So generally if Winsplits shows an "error" for leg 5, then the left fork was taken. An "error" on leg 6 usually indicates the right fork was the option.

Results now posted on the EMPO site, with skip and fork choices noted (gleaned from the splits). If there are any corrections to be made, please let me know.

Splits are now also available on AP.

Some L/R choices were derived from the split box at 5R (41 of the competitors went there), thanks to Phil, our SI guru.

So AP is incredible, the gps track automagically knows where the controls are. People have been posting QR maps. Can the google-map background find the map and use it?

Or would it require upload of map/course files to AP?

I believe the GPS tracks line up because the map is georeferenced. I don't know the answers to your other questions but I'm sure someone else does.

Or maybe I'm wrong, but the map IS georeferenced. :-)

my understanding is that AP knows where the controls are and adds them to your gps track based on your splits. It matches the training entry with your splits from the AP race results and so long as the gps time and SI time match closely enough it will then put the controls onto the map.

I would have figured that AP knows *when* the controls are, because of the splits. Which I suppose is what you were saying :)

AP doesn't know where the controls were. It just knows where the gps track says you were at a point in time based on the splits loaded into AP.

yes, perhaps I should have worded that better.

Yeah, jteutsch and GlenT are correct.

Also, be sure to check out the skip analysis. No, it doesn't consider whether you messed up during your skip (as I have been known to do), so that can impact the analysis.

And the "jockstuffer" went to...?

Jointly to the Breton ladies, surely.

Did they really stop and wait while Joe made a "pit stop?" I can just hear the elevator music playing in the waiting room.

Nope, Angelica Riley got it. Details to be posted shortly, as soon as I get a couple of details buttoned up.

And, what about the 2011 "awards"? :)

stay tuned Valerie.

Oh dear... I'm looking forward to the official embellishment :)

I assume you already know the story, Wyatt.

What happened to Ernst? His splits look great, but maybe he skipped 2 controls? Is this possible? Or was he in a pack at 4 and passed by without punching ?

Yep, you guessed right on Ernst. We skipped 18, but only after finishing did he realize that he had also inadvertantly skipped 4, despite probably having been very close to it.

I think it was at a map fold, and he didn't realise there was a control there.

Is there a Routegadget somewhere? The only map I can find is on PG's log.

Punch checking was not a high priority in the old pre-SI days. Years ago a guy who did what Ernst did might never have figured it out. As J-J remeinded me, back in '85 I was so intent on following the lead pack that I almost blew by a control, went back to punch it and discovered that it was #2! So another lesson learned, a slog back up hill to retrieve #1, and a lonely trip around the BG. "Didn't you notice that the route took a 90 degree bend there (at #1), I was asked. My winning comment for the original jockstuffer award: "90 degree bends don't mean much to a guy who is not looking at the map."

Although that lonely trip apparently involved passing me by at some point. I was in a great position at #1, but you finished 15 minutes ahead of me. I guess you still weren't that interested in hanging out with a guy wearing jeans. But I'm pretty sure that I learned your name when you came up and said hi before the start that day.

(I do remember that at my first Billygoat, the previous year, when I staggered across the finish line well overtime, I made sure to try and show PG my punches, but he wasn't really interested in looking at them, and just asked, "Did you go to all the controls?".)

Then there was the famous "optional punching" incident.

The only guy I recall seeing in the latter stages of the '85 goat was Jim Long.

"infamous"

Linda Kohn was just behind you at the finish, Jim Long a few seconds behind her, then Dave Cutler, Jim Baker, Tony Muffatti, Gary Doski, and Rob Freeberg also within about a minute and a half. And then five more people before you get to me, and at least a dozen more who you presumably overtook.

Routegadget linked from Billygoat results page (link noted in http://www.attackpoint.org/discussionthread.jsp/me... ).

If anyone WHO WON A SHIRT would like an additional one, size Large, see me at West Point. There are about a dozen extras left over.