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| # Posted 2007-03-06 16:14:55 | |
| Kiki: | Each gram of stored glycogen has ~3 grams of obligated water. So yeah, takes some eating and drinking to get the water level back to normal.
Just did a check to see if that number was right and came up with a paper that says, "1 g of glycogen obligating 3.21 +/- 0.57 g water", so there's your really accurate number. ;-) |
| # Posted 2007-03-06 21:56:26 | |
| Stinky Pete: | I use Hammer recoverite right after any race/training to replenish glycogen and fluids.
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| # Posted 2007-03-07 00:19:07 | |
| ebone: | Thanks for the info, Cristina!
Glenn, I prefer bananas and/or fruity candy, along with Gookinaid or water to Recoverite, but I'll use whatever is handy. I guess Recoverite is convenient and tastes good (to some people, me included), but it's less cost-effective than water and normal food. I know that it's important for endurance athletes to eat enough carbs and drink plenty of water to fuel and hydrate properly, especially right after exercise. I'm usually pretty good about this, but I think I fell off the wagon somewhat while working on preparations for last weekend's event. |
| # Posted 2007-03-07 03:22:01 | |
| Stinky Pete: | don't forget to take in high quality protien as well. Recoverite uses whey protien isolate. your ratio c:p should be about 3:1 or 4:1. fruity candy while tasting great does very little to replace depleted vitamins and minerals.
i must say that i am really impressed by your natural abilities. I was talking about this with roger. Your map reading and route skills are cleary great but how you can be so fast with so little training is beyond me. I was wondering, if you had to attribute your success to skills verses physical ability, how would it measure up. What is more important and by how much. What is your PR for a 10k road race. |
| # Posted 2007-03-07 04:43:19 | |
| Swampfox: | Eric is some kind of a special mule, as in an "animule." He's an example of a highly evolved sub-species which only requires a few minutes of warmup--such as a light jog on the way to the start--to become perfectly conditioned and race fit. We bow before such creatures! Another example would be the z-man, though he may not be quite as highly evolved in certain other aspects, as he is unfortunately a little fragile. |
| # Posted 2007-03-07 15:47:15 | |
| ebone: | I was wondering, if you had to attribute your success to skills verses physical ability, how would it measure up. What is more important and by how much. What is your PR for a 10k road race.
Ultimately, navigation is more important than running speed, but it takes both, of course. I would say my relative advantage is more in speed than in navigation, although I'm not all that fast a runner, really. My 10k PR is 33:56 track, 34:10 cross country. [z-man] is unfortunately a little fragile. I've been suffering a fragile spell lately. I've always been a little more injury prone than most of the serious runners and orienteers that I've known, so I've had to get by with less training and more rest. Fortunately, that has seemed to work fairly well for me. |
| # Posted 2007-03-08 07:04:21 | |
| roschi: | "i ve been suffering a fragile spell lately"
hehe, eric is such a fragile animule.... about comparing fruit candy to revoverite... recoverite uses 3000mg of L-glutamine per serving which is a basic building block to protein, and though i know you would like your whacky theories to fit your appetite (like Vlad's hamburger theory!) it is hardly a good source of recovery food... end of teammate rant :) |
| # Posted 2007-03-08 16:08:42 | |
| ebone: | recoverite uses 3000mg of L-glutamine per serving
Sure, or you can just eat a bagel then drink some milk. Nutritionists will tell you that there's no magic about sports supplements and drinks. You're just paying a premium for convenience, which may be a worthwhile thing to pay for. However, the best thing is to eat a balanced diet. |
| # Posted 2007-03-08 19:09:29 | |
| Stinky Pete: | Ya eat a bagel made with enriched white bread and choclate milk with lots on simple sugars in it. I can't argue with your success but it wouldn't work for me. And for every nutritionalist that says "there's no magic about sports supplements and drinks" I can find you more that say just the opposite. |
| # Posted 2007-03-08 19:45:29 | |
| Kiki: | I don't think many nutritionists would say that there's something "magic" about sports supplements and drinks. They might say that they're convenient and do the trick, which is a bit different. |
| # Posted 2007-03-08 21:19:57 | |
| Stinky Pete: | magic is not a term i should have used. After all, I don't believe in magic. however, I think that there are many nutritionists that would assert that supplements are more than just convenient. I could also find research that supports the assertion that food grown on industrial farms do no provide adequate micronutrients because of depletion of soils.
we can eat enriched foods (which are just crap food with questionable vitamins (read supplements) added). I prefer to eat whole foods with no added supplements, minimize simple sugers, and choose my own supplements. |
| # Posted 2007-03-08 21:20:46 | |
| Stinky Pete: | BTW i don't believe in global warming |
| # Posted 2007-03-08 21:43:32 | |
| Kiki: | What a coincidence, I don't believe in gravity! It's so hard to find other people who think like I do. |
| # Posted 2007-03-09 00:19:51 | |
| roschi: | o o glen W rogers please dont get me started on your global warming denial.. that gets me riled up more than bone eating bags of old discounted halloween candy for recovery...
i am surrounded by bozos... super fast animule bozos.... :) |
| # Posted 2007-03-09 00:29:58 | |
| Stinky Pete: | Let me clarify...I don't believe in anthropogenic global warming. i like it when you get riled up. |
| # Posted 2007-03-09 00:31:33 | |
| ebone: | And when I'm feeling nostalgic, I dig in my cupboards for a snack of Halloween candy corn from years past. Mmmmmmm....disgusting. |
| # Posted 2007-03-09 00:43:38 | |
| Swampfox: | As regards supplements, vitamins, energy bars, gu's, etc., in the entire time since I've been orienteering, I have:
--occasionally taken a multi-vitamin --bought several gu's for rogaines --very occasionally bought some standard type of energy drink, usually either when I was sick or else in the summer when I was very thirsty and the mood struck I think the whole gamut of that stuff is largely a huge waste of money--especially, especially about 99% of all those vitamin supplements. That's not to say some athletes couldn't benefit from some of this stuff, and never forget about the very real placebo effect. |
| # Posted 2007-03-09 08:54:11 | |
| FrankTheTank: | Man, I didn't know Glenn was so anal about his food. Do you go for the organics as well? I have to say I'm kind of uneducated on nutrition, but I have to say that I prefer junk food like candy and ice-cream. Here's a couple of thoughts. On most supplements that I've read the labels on they have like 3000% of the RDV for various nutrients. Doesn't my body have to process all those extra impurities? So it's probably bad for my liver eh? My two cents on organics: I grew up in a rural area (E. WA) where there is a lot of farming. I didn't grow up on a farm, but I've worked in the industry. I never buy organic. Why? Organic is probably more heavily geneticly engineered to resist disease etc., so it's actually probably a greater cause for cancer etc. Plus I worked at a frozen food plant and saw the organic loads come in. Let me tell you, if you saw them, you probably wouldn't want to eat it either. Plus it costs twice as much because they have to throw out over half the crop to get the good stuff to market. I'm not sure I buy the depletion of soil bit either, farmers keep strict control of their ground to keep that from happening, plus a plant is a plant, if it's depleted then it probably won't produce a decent yield, something farmers are really concerned about. I grew up downwind of hanford, drank the water, ate pesticides and I turned out ok. I just eat what I want and don't sweat it. |
| # Posted 2007-03-09 10:52:46 | |
| roschi: | yeah i m with glen on this... (except for the global warming issue and how to raise your kids! :)
food is important for racing performance... i tried this over 4 years now.. and believe me i do eat my share of crap and pay for it every time.... i am very sketical on these things and used to think its probably just coincidence.. but good, (organic or not, local at least it should be to minimize transport) healthy products drive my body better... and swampfox may be right.. maybe its just the placebo effect.. but it works damn well on me! :) |
| # Posted 2007-03-09 21:07:52 | |
| Stinky Pete: | First, i lived in a little town called Mese just east over the hill from hanford for a year. It was kinda cool how the hills glowed a light greenish blue just at twilight.
I don't generally buy organic either. I think that it can be a waste of money. I do grow my own vegetables in the summer and have some chickens. IMHO, farmers like any other rational economic entity, try to optimize there yields. They do this by by using fertilizer. There is nothing wrong with this of course because nitrogen is nitgren regardless of the source (organic or not). however, they use only the macronutrients that plants need (N, P, K). They do not add micronutrient as they aren't as important to producing fruits/vegetable). Crops will get these from the soil. Unfortunately, the soil slowly gets depleted of these nutrients. The problem is, micronutrients are important to us and our bodies. I don't really care about genetics. Humans have been selectively breeding plants and animals for ever. The RDA is the MINIMUM for a sedintary person. Without enriching foods, there wouldn't be any nutritional value in many things we eat just empty calories. My whole life is a placebo effect. If I chose to see and admit the whole truth, I would probably just shoot myself |
| # Posted 2007-03-09 22:51:16 | |
| FrankTheTank: | Maybe that's why we have hanford, to add those heavy metals back into the soil :) That's cool you grow vegges. I planted a garden last year too and I got some corn, peas, tomatoes, etc. It's alot harder to grow stuff on this side of the state though. |
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