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Discussion: WOC 2013

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Jul 7, 2013 9:56 PM # 
Hirppa:
I guess there should be one general WOC thread as well.

I'm taking photographs for Finnish O-Fed and will be posting the shots as I get them sorted and tagged. Here's today's ones:
http://hirppa.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Suunnistus/2013/13_07...

What comes to the competition itself, as a Finn, I was quite surprised how two of the dinosaurs (as we call them) had found such a shape. Though Jani is well known for his ability to get the peak of the shape the right time. Gonna be an interesting final.
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Jul 8, 2013 12:37 AM # 
eddie:
Niiice.

Han Solo: Who's scruffy-looking?
Chewy: Grooooooonkk!!!

Jul 8, 2013 12:39 AM # 
disorienteer:
Kiitos paljon, Kimmo! Kauniita kuvia. I'm already using one of them (www.orienteeringusa.org).
Jul 8, 2013 12:51 AM # 
disorienteer:
OK, gotta use that one of Rosstopher and his 'do too!
Jul 8, 2013 1:17 AM # 
MJChilds:
Love the new photos and captions on the OUSA site. Rosstopher looks edgy and I can't complain about EChilds' awesome JWOC pic. Whoever came up with "watch the world's smartest athletes" is brilliant. But that's just the point, isn't it!
Jul 8, 2013 1:18 AM # 
MJChilds:
Is Ross wearing gnome shoes on the above photo?
Jul 8, 2013 1:31 AM # 
cmorse:
Maybe his new Inov8 Elf-Rocs...
Jul 8, 2013 6:14 AM # 
lazydave:
I cant even get ontothe WOC website lket alone the results service
Jul 8, 2013 6:17 AM # 
Pink Socks:
Same here.
Jul 8, 2013 6:25 AM # 
edwarddes:
Online results and gps tracking seem to be working ok, even though the main website is not.
http://online.woc2013.fi/tulokset/en/2013_woc_spri...

Can't seem to keep the video working.
Jul 8, 2013 6:28 AM # 
edwarddes:
Alex just showed up as a DQ!
GPS track shows her never going to 9.
Jul 8, 2013 6:30 AM # 
lazydave:
thanks Ed.
Jul 8, 2013 6:36 AM # 
blairtrewin:
Looks like all three Australian women are through, assuming the online results are up to date.
Jul 8, 2013 6:53 AM # 
Cristina:
Ali Crocker 4th, -:) Alex mispunch. :-( Alison Campbell good first WOC run, one mistake.
Jul 8, 2013 4:05 PM # 
Hirppa:
Fresh set of pictures from sprint qualification is online:
http://hirppa.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Suunnistus/2013/13_07...
Jul 8, 2013 9:24 PM # 
ken:
Here are some of mine from the sprint qual/final:
http://kenjrwalker.smugmug.com/2013/WOC2013/Sprint...
Jul 8, 2013 9:38 PM # 
eddie:
Thanks Ken and Kimmo, these are most excellent! Please keep them coming.
Jul 9, 2013 2:30 PM # 
Hirppa:
And here's my sprint final pics:
http://hirppa.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Suunnistus/2013/13_07...
A great day for Finland.
Jul 9, 2013 8:50 PM # 
ken:
Long final:
http://kenjrwalker.smugmug.com/2013/WOC2013/Long-F...
Jul 9, 2013 9:05 PM # 
Hammer:
Happiness is Orienteering! (the smile says it all eh)

http://kenjrwalker.smugmug.com/2013/WOC2013/Long-F...

http://kenjrwalker.smugmug.com/2013/WOC2013/Long-F...

Congrats Emily on an awesome World Champs individual LONG debut!

Edit: long debut ( thanks Canadian)
Jul 9, 2013 9:09 PM # 
Pink Socks:
I was looking at the qualifying results of the countries. For examples, Switzerland is 15-for-15 in getting runners qualified to the finals. Sweden is 12-for-12, Finland 11-for-12, Russia 10-for-12.

And Norway is 10-for-10. But I'm curious as to why they didn't use 2 of their slots. While the other big nations have teams of at least 6 of each sex, Norway has just 4 women participating this year. Norway is one of the top orienteering nations, and they are a neighbor of of the hosting nation, so I'm wondering why their women's team is so small this year?
Jul 9, 2013 9:41 PM # 
j-man:
I wonder why a lot of the teams are small this year? Am I missing something? Both for core nations and developing nations. Why not be 6 of 6? Wouldn't people want to make a last push before the WOC qualifying rules change? And WOC's in Finland, too, not Ukraine for example.

Why isn't Canada's team bigger?
Jul 9, 2013 9:42 PM # 
j-man:
Ken has awesome pictures, btw! His pictures, and Dave's from JWOC are first rate!
Jul 9, 2013 10:24 PM # 
JanetT:
Online results link for multiple events:
http://online.woc2013.fi/tulokset/en/
Jul 9, 2013 11:52 PM # 
Canadian:
Hammer, I noticed the same thing about those photos of Emily! And then compare that to Ali at the start: http://kenjrwalker.smugmug.com/2013/WOC2013/Long-F...
There's clearly not just one approach that works ;)

Btw, Emily raced the middle and sprint at WOC in 2011 and almost qualified in both with 17th and 18th places in those races while still a junior.

Interstingly according to Canadian team coach Toni the jump from junior to senior is much much smaller for the women than it is for the men. He told me this spring that he thinks Emily has a WOC top 10 result in her this year. Let's see if she can pull it off in the middle, definitely her strongest event.
Jul 10, 2013 12:06 AM # 
vmeyer:
What I liked so much about the Emily pictures was the fact that the official seemed to be enjoying herself as well. In the second one, she couldn't see Emily's face, but she seemed to have caught the Kempster vibe. Spread the joy!
Jul 10, 2013 12:53 AM # 
Hammer:
Thanks for the correction Canadian. So Emily's LONG debut ;-) I believe is the 5th best-ever individual Canadian result at WOC. Spread the joy indeed!

9th - Sandy Hott (2005, middle)
10th - Ted de St Croix (1985, classic/long)
18th - Denise DeMonte (1985, classic/long)
20th - Pam James (1999, middle)
25th - Emily Kemp (2013, long)
Jul 10, 2013 3:14 AM # 
eddie:
I hope Ken is running in the media race tomorrow (and someone gets a picture of him).
Jul 10, 2013 4:50 AM # 
Cristina:
They were both using Emily's technique after the race.
Jul 10, 2013 4:58 AM # 
Pink Socks:
Kimmo and Ken's photos are great!

I was wondering if there are photos out there of everyone? I haven't seen any photos from the smaller O' nations, and I was wondering if there are any available anywhere.
Jul 10, 2013 5:00 AM # 
vmeyer:
Great picture! Thank you, Cristina!

Whoa! I was wondering what Cristina was doing posting at this time of night, but then, it it 1 AM here and 8 AM there. So, I am thinking it is me who should be going to bed...
Jul 10, 2013 5:14 AM # 
martin(uk):
I added pictures of Emily, Ali and Louise to my Long Final Flickr set.
Jul 10, 2013 5:17 AM # 
eddie:
Spookster!!!
Jul 10, 2013 7:33 AM # 
Cristina:
vmeyer, today's the rest day, so you wouldn't have been wrong to think I shouldn't have been posting at 8am. ;-)

It's difficult to keep everyone updated this year as the US team has accommodations that are several km from the event center and most other teams, without any internet access. So, we have to drive to all our meals... and to use the internet. I have a decent deal for EU roaming cellular data on my phone, so the Tweeting and occasional posts from the arena are possible.

What would people like to see online? More stories? Interviews? Photos? I must report that Ross has shaved his head, so he no longer has a triple mullet/mohawk. Also, apparently 100 tattoos was not enough. Next time I will order 500-1000.
Jul 10, 2013 8:15 AM # 
ken:
@j-man: at least for the core nations, the small teams are related to the schedule of events this year. the proximity of certain events (I think long/sprint in particular) has caused runners to opt out and in some cases the result is fewer entrants and even smaller teams. Maybe someone else can give a specific example.

@pink: I assume you are looking for uniform designs...I probably have all the teams, just not uploaded. I will try to collect them into a gallery for you when I have a chance.

@eddie: running o-week race today...nicer terrain I think.
Jul 10, 2013 9:35 AM # 
ndobbs:
When they say there were x-thousand spectators...
Jul 10, 2013 1:03 PM # 
eddie:
Cristina, the obvious solution is for everyone to get permanent tatoos instead. Group outing to one of the many parlors in Vuokatti the night before the relay. Get some of those big hearts with "MOM" written on them (ohh, Caroline would LOVE that ;), and of course bald eagles holding flags in their beaks, Abe Lincoln with an eye patch, "don't tread on marsh," George Washington throwing a football, "The land of the free, and the home of the Whopper"...you know, patriotic stuff.
Jul 10, 2013 8:11 PM # 
Pink Socks:
@pink: I assume you are looking for uniform designs...I probably have all the teams, just not uploaded. I will try to collect them into a gallery for you when I have a chance.

Cool, thanks. A lot of it is for the uniforms (one of these days I plan to write a guest column for UniWatch specifically about orienteering). But I also like seeing the little teams, too. I really enjoyed seeing that guy from Kenya at WOC last year. This year has a few runners from Argentina, Uruguay, and Azerbaijan!
Jul 11, 2013 6:29 AM # 
blairtrewin:
Some huge blowouts early on in the women's middle distance qualifiers - it's 25 minutes after the start and the early starters aren't much more than 1km into the course.
Jul 11, 2013 6:36 AM # 
Terry:
Ali is doing great so far ... hasn't made any mistakes
Jul 11, 2013 6:43 AM # 
blairtrewin:
The way things are looking, if you can run above walking pace, 'not making any mistakes' will be more than enough to get into a final.
Jul 11, 2013 12:56 PM # 
fletch:
Just enough for the 3 Aussie girls ;)
Jul 11, 2013 12:56 PM # 
fletch:
Seriously though, both the men and women have some of the most epic GPS traces I've ever seen.
Jul 11, 2013 7:00 PM # 
hughmac⁴:
Holy smokes ... I just watched Ali's race. @fletch: you are right on. I couldn't believe my eyes for the first few minutes at #1 there. And head-to-head with two others for almost the whole race for Ali, too. Or should I say: Scalet and Dodin somehow seemed to always choose the exact same path that Ali just picked. ;) Wicked fun to watch.

And that terrain looks wonderful.
Jul 11, 2013 8:39 PM # 
Hirppa:
Finally got the long distance shots online:
http://hirppa.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Suunnistus/2013/13_07...

The reason it takes a while is that I'm quite busy the whole week and I tag all of my shots with name and nationality. You can search the tag (from upper right in folder view) or click the tag icon that in these cases most likely has a number two next to it.

Oh, and the tag-nationalities are in FInnish :/
Jul 12, 2013 2:21 AM # 
j-man:
With all apologies and due respect to everyone who was competing in the middle qualifier, what made it so hard? On paper, none of it appears extreme or really that unusual for many parts of Finland.
Jul 12, 2013 3:57 AM # 
eddie:
Kimmo, is there a Finnish expression for the contortions you have to go through to align the EMIT brick? "Emiterobics?" "Twistus Emitus Maximus?" You snapped some wild poses there in the Long.

We occasionally set SI punching exercises as a string-O. Lots of punches in succession with rapid changes in direction to practice punching technique (well, more for fun than anything else). I could see this being really crazy with EMITs at random orientations.
Jul 12, 2013 4:29 AM # 
gruver:
Eddie perhaps you have answered j-man.
Jul 12, 2013 5:36 AM # 
ndobbs:
@j-man I went out afterwards, and that first section was really tough. The visibility was low, even (surprisingly) in the white strip between the two veg changes. Right from the start flag it was tough running in low vis, so hard to settle in and holding direction was tough. For some of the first controls, there wasn't any obvious attackpoint (the easternmost one was relatively straightforward).

It was doable and fun, but was not easy. Even the distinct veg changes were not that distinct.
Jul 12, 2013 5:55 AM # 
ken:
WOC splits are now on AP here.
Jul 12, 2013 5:58 AM # 
martin(uk):
@eddie - "Emiterobics" - our guys have been practising "the straddle" ;-)
Jul 12, 2013 7:35 AM # 
Hirppa:
And now got the middle qual pics up:
http://hirppa.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Suunnistus/2013/13_07...

There's couple of pics from the forest side as well to give some sort of idea what it was like. Those pictures are from 3rd last and the clearing is 2nd last.

@eddie - I've definetly seen some peculiar punch-styles. Måre is considered one of the fastest emit-punchers at least in Finland and he has trained his style a lot. In sprint he normally uses a style where the card's tip is only positioned in upright position to about where the neelde is in this picture. Just have to remember that the punching has to last over 125 ms to it to be registered "for sure".
In the first 10 women in long dist, two of them had the emit the wrong side down (1st control where those pics are from).
Jul 12, 2013 9:47 AM # 
graeme:
@eddie. I think it's pɹɐɔ ʇıɯǝ
Jul 12, 2013 11:35 AM # 
Niall:
Out of curiosity and lack of knowledge of WOC standards, I was curious why many of the Women's Midle Qualifications results are considered good when having empty controls (what I 'see' as missed punches), and why someone like HK's Wing Hai Yu (in Q2) has all controls but is considered "DNF"...
Jul 12, 2013 2:55 PM # 
Miikka:
The maximum time in the qualification race was 70 minutes.
Jul 12, 2013 2:58 PM # 
ken:
I think there were some timing problems. early on I saw some organizers rush up to the last control with power tools and replace the two online emit units there.

edit: what andrewd said.
Jul 12, 2013 2:59 PM # 
andrewd:
Niall:
you're looking at the 'live results' which are rarely going to be 100% accurate. The missing ones are generally the 'EmitTag' controls which have been very unreliable this week. It's a different technology capturing the information than at the other controls. What you see online is definitely NOT what is on the competitors timing brikke and also nowhere near what is on the official timing system.
Jul 12, 2013 3:24 PM # 
eddie:
Very cool to have the WOC splits on AP. Neat to see all those big names in orange and black.
Jul 12, 2013 5:25 PM # 
vmeyer:
Relay teams
Jul 12, 2013 8:48 PM # 
Niall:
Ah, didn't know about the 70 minutes limit. And looking closer, I now realise the missing times are all on controls 4, 5 and 10 - pointing towards the type of problem mentioned.
Jul 15, 2013 9:58 PM # 
ken:
Relay photos
Jul 15, 2013 10:16 PM # 
eddie:
Most excellent. Thanks!
Jul 16, 2013 7:25 AM # 
Jagge:
On paper, none of it appears extreme or really that unusual

Yes, on paper. But if you look at the map carefully, you will find there is no shrinked dotknolls, no shorter cliffs than the ISOM minimum and no stacked form lines. I believe there is plenty of quite distinct land forms and details than did not make it to the map. With one form line between controus you get effective contour interval of 2.5m, so some lands forms higher than man are generalized away, same with cliffs, for sure there is lots more cliffs there than those on the map. So there is lots of generalization going on here and only the very biggest details are on the map. Even after training camps some athletes may still have been more used to run with poorly generalized maps with stacked form lines and "everything" mapped, and now here they had to try navigating with this in low vis and under pressure, really easy to get confused and make parallel mistakes with unmapped features.
Jul 16, 2013 11:03 AM # 
ndobbs:
@Jagge, check out cliff at men's middle F #3 (the one touching the boulder). There were also a few very squiggly contours. The map may have been excellent, but not perfect.
Jul 16, 2013 12:03 PM # 
Jagge:
http://edit.woc2013.fi/ssl/woc.nsf/0/BF045E63A3EFE...
Hard to say anything without seeing the actual paper map.

There is lots of from lines that give no additional info, one would thing less would do have been better. I guess the general thinking is short form lines are the worst (~mapping single reentrants/spurs with short form lines), so they must have thought better kind of join short ones together if those are close enough. But here pretty much every second contour ended up as a form line... Check middle qual map, I picked route choices for mens heat 2 and counted how many "missing" form lines I had to run over, my count was only 13!
Jul 16, 2013 6:58 PM # 
Hirppa:
Again ready after Ken but got all of my shots now online:
http://hirppa.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Suunnistus/2013/13_07...
Even made a The_Best_of-folder with a little gimmicking.

Ken, it seems we were a bit off-sync:
http://hirppa.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Suunnistus/2013/13_07...
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-...
Jul 16, 2013 11:04 PM # 
gruver:
I too was surprised by the number of formlines, especially after reading the ISOM draft recently

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