Discussion: SFG

On a map like this shallow gullies are just the spaces between the rock features. Just navigate to the rock and look for a flag in a bit of a hollow on the right side. Shallow gullies get used a lot just because there are so many rocks in the circle that it is difficult to describe the one the control is on unambiguously.

thanks for the tip - will remember for next time - that said plenty of other features out there which wouldn't have me looking for an actual shallow gully... I think most of the time though I was probably just off the point a bit really - still trying to get my nav back in from last season!

I was going to say what Craig said be he already said it.

pretty sure you could put between and bolder symbols. but ill take shallow gully - even though I think its a horrible description.

The 'between' concept is only really used for features that are almost touching on the ground...and Craig's second point is the real key here - in a lot of areas of HPD you simply can't describe a feature according to the spec, as there's too many boulders in the circle. So you end up using what was mapped as a cliff, cluster, or (god help us) shallow gully because that's all there is.

If you did put a control "between two boulders" on that map, how do you (as a competitor) work out which two?

well I wouldn't - like I wouldn't use shallow gullies that aren't gullies - simply put I wouldn't put a control there - this isn't a shot at GB's setting I thought it was set accurately to the map - its more a crack at bad features to set on. There was other features mapped within eyeshot of the control positions that would have been more accurate and made suitable sites - so what if they are slightly easier to spot landmarks should be hide and seek in non accurate descriptions.

I vote to hide Bryce in a shallow gully.

It almost became a shallow grave when I kept seeing the symbols.

See IOF Control Descriptions; scroll to page 16 for pictorial examples of different terrain features. NB A 'gully' in most countries other than Oz is known as a reentrant.

In orienteering, a gully can be as small as a kink in a single contour, or a deep ravine with many contours.

I agree with you that some of them could have been placed on nearby features, but they were all legitimate H course sites.

A hole in the ground is a legitimate H course site.

Remember if you use a shallow grave to dismember all the parts first, spread them over a vast distance and then set them alight (try to organise this when there are no camp fire restrictions).

If you don't do this, it will try to eat your brain.