Discussion: Archived results of NAOC 2010

Is there a copy of results with eligible/ineligible marked archived somewhere? Thanks. THIS IS FOR THE 2010 NAOC

Tip to organizers:

This problem seems to be increasing as clubs insist on creating a special website just for a specific event, instead of using their regular club website. a year after the event they decide to stop paying for the site and it disappears without ever having been archived.

If you want to create a cute, easy to remember event specific name like NAOC2015.org, don't put all your information there. Instead just make it a link to your regular club website, and put the actual pages there. Since you'll be continuing to maintain the club website for years to come, the data will be archived and you won't have to keep paying for a separate domain name or move the results to someplace where nobody knows where to look for them.

If you already have an event specific site (eg NAOC 2014), be sure you are making plans to archive the results (and ideally the other event info and bulletins as well). People will want to look back at the results for years to come, and other archived info could be useful to future event organizers, planners and historians.

Wrong: naoc2015.ca (event specific)
Right: roc.us.orienteering.org/2014nationals/ (pages on club's regular website)

I distincitvely recall you dishing out this tip about 5 years ago and about 10 years ago...

And probably several more times. The lack of consistent archiving of past results is REALLY annoying. And it is SO SIMPLE for clubs to solve. Storage is cheap.

@ tundra: try here. I'm not sure if it has any eligibility listing, though.

Sent you an email, Vladimir.

We could do something like use Eventor for registration and results and then everything would be in one place!

+1 Cristina

I was told that Eventor had a 6 figure licensing cost, and that is why it is not being looked into.

Cristina said "something like Eventor". Eventor might have a 6 figure licensing cost but that doesn't mean some enterprising individual can't work with OUSA to create a similar system.

Well surprise, several man-years of time investment and they ask for 6 figures? how dare they! shame them into donating for free, quick, since, you know, this thing is full of people who hitch rides to starts, eat Ramen, and camp out in the woods. No? nice Subarus and SUVs in the parking lot, most of them? shame anyway.

I've often thought it would save clubs a lot of time and help brand Orienteering Canada if each annual Canadian Champs/Nationals just used the same web site and had a slightly modified logo built around the OC brand.

ie., 2015 Orienteering Canada Nationals. Much of the info needed on a web site each year is the same (or similar) anyway. registration, courses, categories, rules, results, etc.

Smart idea!

... that doesn't mean some enterprising individual can't work with OUSA to create a similar system.

Someone already has. It's called EventRegister -- EventReg for short...

...which needs a new guru. Kent Shaw wants to "retire" from EventReg.

If someone would like to have access to the code and offer to take over as maintainer/debugger (fees are paid, but not in 6 figures), please contact someone/anyone on the OUSA BOD, or me.

@T/D: I would hardly characterize a club/event that could not afford a 6-figure licensing fee as "cheap", or even the more tactful "frugal"...

Duh. Did you bother to check what Eventor is and what it does?

It is a federation-level system for maintaining pretty much all data, entries and results included, but also memberships, calendar, and rankings. Records travel between the membership database and event-management software, then the results go back from the event management system to the database. Everything is consistent between clubs, no need to copy things. It knows who you are, enabling few-click entries and membership renewals, and automatic rankings. Plug your spamulator into the database and voila, leveraged promotion.

Its functionality is far wider than that of Event Register. It can do everything Event Register can, and many times more.

Levy $1 per start for the 50k starts of OUSA and you'll be done paying for the license in a couple years.

If this community weren't full of [deleted], it would be thinking of how to make Eventor happen, not suggesting that someone reinvent a limited-function wheel on the cheap.

I think he's calling OUSA cheap, as six figures is out of practically all US clubs' budgets (if not all).

(Not being T/D,) I think the implication is that OUSA should charge clubs more for the use of event registration (and/or raise membership fees, which I personally would agree to) so that clubs start charging users more per race to pay for it.

Yes.

Again, registration is a fraction of what you get for say $1 per start. It's also getting rid of your club's membership volunteer, lightening the load on your club's webmaster, being able to instantly plug newcomers into the scene, and enjoying your results in perpetuity (or at least for as long as the power is on in The Dalles, Oregon).

The Eventor site appears to be entirely in Swedish -- with no British flag to take one to an English version...

Is it Sweden, after all.

Eventor isn't cheap, but based on the amount we're paying in Australia (probably a similar size federation to the US), it's nowhere near six figures either (unless you're calculating it in kroner).

(I'm not sure whether or not we're free to publish the exact amount, but if anyone wants to discuss our implementation of Eventor in Australia, you can catch me at NAOC this weekend).