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Discussion: NJROTC National Championships - 2017

in: Orienteering; General

Feb 17, 2017 1:04 PM # 
Bob-F:
On the theme of increasing Junior participation.

The NJROTC National Championships will kick off tomorrow morning at Red Top State Park in Cartersville, GA.

There are 409 Juniors registered, representing 31 schools from all over the country. Each school team had to earn their slot in the national championships by placing in the top 3 in their local Area championships. Teams will be traveling from as far away as California, Washington State, and New York.

That is a good size pool of talented juniors.
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Feb 17, 2017 5:01 PM # 
smittyo:
Go California! LAOC has three units competing who regularly attend our meets: Troy, El Dorado, and Hawthorne.
Feb 17, 2017 5:17 PM # 
Bob-F:
A complete list of teams and runners can be found here
Feb 17, 2017 5:56 PM # 
GuyO:
Go Colts Neck!!

(only NYC metro school represented)
Feb 19, 2017 5:26 AM # 
Bob-F:
Day 1 Splits
Green: https://attackpoint.org/racesplits.jsp?raceid=2348...
Brown: https://attackpoint.org/racesplits.jsp?raceid=2348...
Orange-Y: http://attackpoint.org/racesplits.jsp?raceid=23488
Orange-X http://attackpoint.org/racesplits.jsp?raceid=23489
Yellow: http://attackpoint.org/racesplits.jsp?raceid=23490
Feb 19, 2017 3:25 PM # 
Bob-F:
RouteGadget Day 1:
http://www.racerpal.com/gadget/cgi-bin/reitti.cgi?...
Feb 19, 2017 4:09 PM # 
gordhun:
Are the results with school affiliation being posted anywhere?
Feb 19, 2017 9:15 PM # 
Bob-F:
Georgia sweep:

1. Henry County 374.1275
2. Union Grove 374.3806
3. Hillgrove 388.2471

All three teams are heading to the US Interscholastic Championships.

Individual and Team results are here: http://www.gaorienteering.org/live/Live_Results.ht...
Feb 20, 2017 2:11 AM # 
GuyO:
Thanks, Bob!

Was the team scoring system the same as US IS?
Feb 20, 2017 1:51 PM # 
Bob-F:
@GuyO - I believe so. I did not handle the scoring.
Feb 20, 2017 5:59 PM # 
#VarsityFreshman:
What about for Day 2???
Feb 20, 2017 6:02 PM # 
#VarsityFreshman:
Also, I get why X is for girls, and Y is for guys. But some people for Day 1 got DNFed because they are used to it being the other way around. I much rather have seen Orange Men and Orange Women to be honest.
Feb 20, 2017 6:11 PM # 
Bob-F:
@DatGuiser - it is typical for meets to use -X and -Y when they have multiple courses. The runner needs to make sure they take the correct map. If you attend large meets, you will see that again.

Day 2 Splits:
Varsity Male: http://www.attackpoint.org/racesplits.jsp?raceid=2...
Varsity Female: http://www.attackpoint.org/racesplits.jsp?raceid=2...
JV Male: http://www.attackpoint.org/racesplits.jsp?raceid=2...
JV Female: http://www.attackpoint.org/racesplits.jsp?raceid=2...
Intermediate Male: http://www.attackpoint.org/racesplits.jsp?raceid=2...
Intermediate Female: http://www.attackpoint.org/racesplits.jsp?raceid=2...
Old Fogey: http://www.attackpoint.org/racesplits.jsp?raceid=2...
JV Non-Competition: http://www.attackpoint.org/racesplits.jsp?raceid=2...
Feb 20, 2017 6:16 PM # 
Bob-F:
Connor-F's photos. https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNCKqunJKd0-n...

Hopefully, we can get some more added.
Feb 20, 2017 6:56 PM # 
CHARLIE-B:
@DatGuiser - The competitive JV male class filled up the start window. All of the non-competitive JV runners - both males and females - ended up on the same course as the competitive JV females, so it was not possible to label the courses as you suggest.
Feb 20, 2017 7:16 PM # 
jjcote:
it is typical for meets to use -X and -Y when they have multiple courses.

I think his point was that, despite the fact that most meets do it the counterintuitive way, with women on Y so that you can't use the chromosome mnemonic, this one flipped it around so that people were faced with something that they were not used to, with the result that a number of people ran the wrong course. And that it would be better to just ditch the -X and -Y convention in favor of something less ambiguous. And DatGuiser is absolutely right about this.
Feb 20, 2017 7:56 PM # 
edwarddes:
Label the map bins by class, and maybe additionally course, but primarily class. People sign up for a race class, not a race course, and may know what course their class is normally on, but not the specific split for that event.
Feb 20, 2017 8:56 PM # 
smittyo:
The course split guidelines from the OUSA rules address the need for things to be well-labeled in these situations.
Feb 20, 2017 9:26 PM # 
jjcote:
And note that those guidelines don't use -X and -Y designations (they have the classes grouped into a. and b., but those are not presented as course labels).
Feb 20, 2017 9:48 PM # 
GuyO:
At last year's IS/IC Champs, OCIN used -A, -B, -C suffixes to avoid confusion from X-pectations.
Feb 20, 2017 9:54 PM # 
CHARLIE-B:
-A and -B would be a lot better. Oh, wait, is that -B for Boy?

Everything was labelled very clearly.

All females were on -X, the competitive males were on -Y. Non-competitive males were on -X because -Y was full.

The classes(courses) were JV-M(OrangeY), JV-F(OrangeX) and JV-NC(OrangeX).

The start lists were very clear about the distinction.

We also had people skip controls and say that it wasn't their fault. We even had some that punched incorrect controls and insisted that they had punched the correct control instead. Then we had one or two that insisted that the punch boxes didn't work, despite them working perfectly well for 100+ other people.

There are just so many things you need to do to get a valid result.

Incidentally, the event was not run under OUSA rules except for winning times and Interscholastic scoring.
Feb 20, 2017 10:09 PM # 
GuyO:
If winning times were compliant, I'd think the course designs would also be.
Feb 20, 2017 10:41 PM # 
Bob-F:
More photos:
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNe_nJ4c5Tq_g...
Feb 20, 2017 10:55 PM # 
CHARLIE-B:
Guy, that was the approach we took.
Feb 21, 2017 1:26 AM # 
#VarsityFreshman:
Well, thanks for the info.
Feb 21, 2017 1:33 AM # 
#VarsityFreshman:
I somewhat disagree with edwarddes. Last year's Navy JROTC Championships also had regular events by Cascade ORIENTEERING Club. There were 2 days, and a total of 14 classes/events each day. But I liked the way that on the maps, it did not say class instead of course.

For Example:

Advanced Beginner, 9th Grade Intermediate Male, 9th Grade Intermediate Female=Course 1

JV Male=Course 2

Intermediate, JV Female=Course 3

Short Advanced, Old Fogey, Varsity Female=Course 4

Long Advanced, Varsity Male=Course 5

Masters Male, Masters Female, Masters Open=Course 6

I would much rather it be this way when mixed in League Events. Otherwise in other standard IOF endorsed events, it should be organized by class rather than course.
Feb 21, 2017 1:36 AM # 
#VarsityFreshman:
But I believe that the results and the splits should be organized by class and not course, like the Day 1 results and splits were.
Feb 21, 2017 1:41 AM # 
#VarsityFreshman:
*not like the Day 1 results and splits
Feb 21, 2017 3:47 AM # 
#VarsityFreshman:
Also, I changed my name just now from DatGuiser to #VarsityFreshman just because I am proud of it, and for other reasons too. I liked the courses both days, and if I hadn't messed up my heel on Day 1, I might have been competitive for Day 2.
Feb 21, 2017 3:50 AM # 
#VarsityFreshman:
But still, being number 71 is not bad, I mean, I am kinda representing my entire home state of Nevada.
Feb 21, 2017 3:50 AM # 
#VarsityFreshman:
Btw, is there RouteGadget for Day 2?
Feb 21, 2017 10:56 AM # 
Bob-F:
RouteGadget is up for Day 2: http://www.racerpal.com/gadget/cgi-bin/reitti.cgi
Feb 22, 2017 12:38 AM # 
gordhun:
Am I missing something or do the JV courses actually look tougher than the Female Varsity?
Feb 22, 2017 12:48 PM # 
#VarsityFreshman:
I was thinking that tbh. Maybe it is just how people try to find points in a general area. The Green course was very easy for me, even when I was walking the course off an injury. I still got under 1:45.

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