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in: Cristina; Cristina > 2009-09-16

Sep 16, 2009 2:09 PM # 
cmpbllv:
Is this roughly the equivalent of our MEL 2 or 3 (Military Education Level, not sure you use that term), the Captain's Career Course? (Note the propaganda title). We get 4-6 months of how to function as a company grade officer, mostly focused on understanding battalion level operations and how to support them / be part of them. I actually thought the content of mine was good back in the day (2000), but the BS factor was still pretty high.

They did let us test out of morning PT, though.

Yours sounds like a decent course - discussion=good in my book - and it's not the months that they send us - guess Army guys need more time to figure things out. ;-)
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Sep 16, 2009 10:10 PM # 
Cristina:
It's probably the equivalent (it's our second level of Professional Military Education), though ours is probably a lot wimpier. Of course, with a few exceptions (maintenance, security forces, etc) AF Captains generally have a LOT less responsibility than Army Captains.

It's a pretty varied curriculum, really can't get much depth with all the stuff they want to cover in only 5 weeks. But you get a taste for various subjects that will be important in the years to come, assuming you have years to come. ;-)

Do all Captains have to attend yours before they can pin on Major? Is there a correspondence version?
Sep 17, 2009 3:00 AM # 
cmpbllv:
We actually go before company command, usually as very young captains. Jon and I were late to go - I think we arrived right at about the 4 year mark. It's a requirement, but it's held by branch so he did infantry stuff and I did intel stuff. No correspondence that I know of, although the current optempo may have changed that.

We used to have a follow-on month at Ft. Leavenworth, KS for "Combined Arms and Services Staff School," which was basically a month of how to brief powerpoint slides. Jon and I got to share a suite there, which was pretty cool after 6 months of living apart. They finally decided it was a fairly useless school and got rid of it.

Then they leave you alone until you make Major, and you're supposed to go to Ft. Leavenworth for a year of ILE (Intermediate Level Education, a truly brilliant name for the school formerly known as Command and General Staff School). While both AF and Navy officers get their masters in their versions of these programs, ours doesn't have one. Jon and I are attempting to skip it, although we may later do the 4-month resident portion followed by 8 months online. Technically, we were supposed to go before going into "key and development jobs" like we're in right now, but the Army needed to deploy us and ran out of time to do that, get us to school, and get is into KD jobs. So here we are, seriously considering begging our bosses for waivers once we prove that we are remotely competent. You can get promoted with a waiver, but we'll have to go before we could attend something like the War College.

Interestingly enough, grad school doesn't count for any of this. But I sure feel like it was better prep for my current job than any school the Army has sent me to.

Go figure.

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