OK, so who's thinking what? I'm interested as usual, can't promise much as usual, will probably plan on it as usual and not be able to come as usual.
Not likely, but really interested.
Is this a open call for an "attackpoint" team at the Jukola? If so I could be interested! If not, it's quite a good idea!
I already have my airline tickets. I'll arrive to Helsinki on Thursday, June 14th, just in time for Jukola. I have also signed up for WMOC in Ruka, Kuusamo in early July.
Yes, Team AttackPoint made appearance(s) in 2003 (
1,
2),
2004, and
2005. It took us a few transatlantic tickets to figure out the Emit system.
Teams
CSU and
GVOC last year were composed of AttackPointers, this time from the same clubs, so that's why there was no 2006 Team AP. From the very beginning, Team AP wasn't restricted to North Americans.
interested, but wait and see what other Ontarians/Canadians are saying about a team.
I would like to buy my tickets soon. Tundra - can you get Team Attackpoint registered, or should I?
I have promised to help the DVOA team with coaching at Jukola 2007, but my offer is extended to any AP team(s) coming (and if an urgent need arises I guess I could even run...)
You can read about what DVOA is doing here:
http://www.bears-on-speed.info/blog/
As ususual, we don't restrict ourselves to success in just one category.
(As an aside, there could always be space on the men's team for an extra hotshot.)
(In the interest of full disclosure, I made the last post.)
I'd prefer a more specific plan than 'could be space'. How many people are currently considering running for 'Team Attackpoint', and how many 'could be' spots are there on the DVOA team?
My status has not changed. I'll arrive to Helsinki on Thursday, June 14th. In addition to Jukola (no team yet) I'm also going to WMOC in Ruka, Kuusamo in early July.
I have very conveniently been invited to give a talk in Stockholm the Friday before Jukola and plan to pop over to Finland to run the Venla relay. I can run for my Swedish club or join a US team if there is a need for an additional runner.
In theory, there are 7 spots on the DVOA team. 5 will be determined based on the team trials at the Fair Hill A event and two are reserved for discretionary picks.
If anyone is seriously interested, let me know.
j-man: are you saying you would pick non-DVOA runners if they did better at the event? That doesn't make sense at all.
If that happened, you surely could not claim to have the best North American club result at Jukola, even if you do manage a better than 204th place!
No, what he ment is: "in theory there are 7" so shell one of those 7 decide not to run, get rerouted to Tunisia, or get ubducted by aliens, the team would need a person :)
Exactly!
All I am saying is that some people have been members of DVOA longer than others, and I wouldn't want to disciminate on that basis.
So, you'd need to be a DVOA member prior to the team trials to be one of the five, and to let me know if you wanted to be one of the two (and join if picked.) Tero can have a complimentary membership.
Likely candidates could, of course, join shortly before the team trials, I assume. DVOA has a pretty liberal policy as far as accepting dues from people. I didn't see anything in the above implying that one would have to be a primary member of DVOA.
I am pretty sure that CSU-Jukola 2006 only had CSU members with CSU as their primary USOF club. Everyone had been a member since at least 2003 or so. But hey, DVOA is no CSU.
ah, let the trash talking begin :) just wait and see when all 7 authentic members show up! We are aware of high-archieving 204th place by CSU team and regard it accordingly.
Oh please! Being a primary member of CSU is as demanding an accreditation as being a Minister of Love.
We may make a rule that team members need to live on the same continent. Would that suffice?
...would it be OK if the assistant coach lives on another continent?
Hmm... I think you got me there.
One might venture a claim that certain prospective runners of the DVOA team (in particular, those most famous for Baltering) barely qualify for membership in the same species as their teammates. :)
Besides, diversity is in these days. Team CSU had 5 birth nations represented.
Yeah, we had to relax the species requirement, too. But, anyway--any time you have the chance of having a Balter, you need to bend some rules.
I just hope the EU is as accomodating...
Boris, that is really quite a good imitation of j-man-speak. Better than j-man himself is in fact doing in this thread.
When it is time to get down and dirty, I doff the vestments of proper diction.
BorisGr, about the species requirement. Are you sure about CSU Jukola team 2006?
http://www.attackpoint.org/discussionthread.jsp/me...
Baltering and j-man-speak - immitating them just darn preposterous! They belong to originators only :) We rest our case.
for the record i was a member of DVOA in mid nineties, and now I'm just a member of a club from friendly north. borned of course on other continent.
too bad Jukola is on the same day as the Canadian trials.
no Canadian team this year, I guess.
I was a resident alien for seven years, and according to Intergalactic Civil Rights Pact finally got my Earth citizenship and DVOA membership, so please, no alien insults here!
You'll always be our favorite resident alien Greg!
So, Nick, you can't make it to the Alberta selection races this time? Too bad, if so. Perhaps if you kick butt comprehensively enough this spring the committee would be willing to select you despite not running in the trials.
I think Nick meant that there would not be a team from Canada at the Jukola, rather than that he wouldn't be on the Canadian team this year.
I don't think I have clarity yet in whether or not we should register a Team Attackpoint, although I guess I should at least go ahead and buy my plane tickets.
Ah, that should have been obvious. Good. I'm not sure that means there can't be a Canadian Jukola team (was there more than one WOC hopeful on last year's GVOC team?) though I haven't heard anything recently to suggest one is being assembled but I'll be glad to see Nick at NavStock.
Hey JDW--when are we going to see you on a Thursday night?
It seems that I will have to travel to Oslo for work the week before the Jukola...
Tickets booked. Will there be a BAOC team this year?
There are currently 3 BAOC members with tickets to Finland: Mikkel, Greg Khanlarov, and myself. Also Vladimir has told that he will be there. Thus, to get a full BAOC team to Jukola we would need 3 additional runners. Anybody interested?
very tempting but not likely. but will see.
Team BAOC looks more and more likely. So likely, in fact, that it is now registered. This will be BAOC's second time at the Jukola, first time being 1997.
One week to go, time to revive this thread. But ok, I just have some kind of newbie/translation question (since I'm french):
In the competition guidelines, there is this rule:
No spiked running shoes are allowed, but studded shoes can be used.
http://www.jukola2007.net/virkia/jukola.nsf/sp2?Op...
We (with my friends) are still divided about its meaning: "spiked" shoes are for cross-country running with on/off spikes, right? Studded shoes are more like orienteering shoes with metal studs, a la VJ Twister/Falcon, Icebug, Jalas (with studs...)
So it's ok to have orienteering shoes with metal studs?
(well I think ndobbs has an advantage here, since he should know the french terms of "chaussures avec picots/sans picots")
So it's ok to have orienteering shoes with metal studs
Simon yes, that would be the correct interpretation. The original text is in Finnish where there is a not clear but definit difference understood by all.
There used to be o-shoes with the type of "spikes" but I don't think they make them anymoore, although some Norwegian elite runners seem to favour them.
News of today is that the web-coverage of Jukola will be extensive. In addition to the TV-broadcast that will be streamed, there will be continuous direct feeding from several cameras in the forest. Thus you'll be able to follow and watch your own team progress through the relay. This in addition to the already ordinary GPS-tracking and online posts.... There was nothing about the speaker sound being webcasted but nonetheless it seems that the only place were you will not be able to follow the race is at the event centre. Oh, except that there will be an open Wi-Fi network for anyone carrying the batteries to power a computer through the night...
Too bad I can't be there... my original post proved to be correct. Sadly I can't go because of a change to US immigration procedures.
I wonder how Jukola can be followed -live while will be at Nav_stock ?? or we have to create our own Jukola atmosphere ??
We will have Night-O and a good BBQ. Is that close enough?
I just updated the AP
Jukola event listing to include start times of the various events in local time, NYC time, and Sydney time. I also put up a probable web streaming link. I say "probable" because it doesn't work yet.
If you see any errors in the time conversions, let me know. I double-checked them for Tiomila, and I'm pretty confident they're good.
Results from the world cup sprint qualifications
Night-O and a good BBQ
Could be good enough - if you find the right kind of Finnish makkara (sausage), and don´t forget the sauna ;)
Are the maps for the sprint qualis posted anywhere yet?
Welp, we're back from the World Cup races. I see that only the qual results are up so, from memory:
Women's winner: Simone
Men's winner: Thierry
The course for the final in the afternoon/evening was quite different from the morning's mostly urban course - most of it was in the woods, and the urban beginning involved interesting route choice decisions. I'm sure full results and maps will be up soon...
I don't have any sound, and I don't see any way to control the volume. Anyone else having problems with the streaming video?
I don't have any sound either. At the bottom of the screen it says "audio 0%" so I stopped trying to fiddle with the volume.
Try closing it and reclicking on the link. Mine has started working. (I did send in a feedback, but I don't know if that helped.)
OK!
Cristina's in!!!! 1:15:27
Wow, I am so impressed. So far, there are 100 women who have come in AFTER Cristina!
Still no audio, but thanks, I will try closing and reclicking periodically. Or maybe I should just put on some stirring music in the background!
Nice run by Sandra Zürcher on the first leg for OK Tyr (team 198), 47 minutes, best was 41.
I just found this link for
Team DVOA.
Here's
Team FWOC as well.
Excellent. Thanks for all the info and links, cedarcreek. Sandy F is doing very well at her first split.
I couldn't get sound using Firefox but I do with Explorer. It's not really necessary for me though as my Finnish is a little weak. ;-) Every so often there is a quick update in English.
It's a little annoying that most of the cameras show the crowd, the tent area, the competition center, everything but orienteering it seems.
Got the audio!!!!! But I don't speak Finnish....:-(
I'm getting sound, but sometimes it seems unsynchronized with the video by minutes. A few minutes ago, there was an interview with two women and I watched for maybe 4 minutes and didn't hear anyone but men speak.
I'm listening to
http://sporten.yle.fi/jukola.asx which seems to be working pretty well (lots of Swedish).
Sandy F is in!!! And they moved up 27 places!
Hi guys! Greetings from the Team DVOA tent!
Half the team is in and we're waiting for Sandy A to pass off to Dasha.
I spent 20 min looking for the first control (yikes!) and then it got a bit better and I spent the rest of the course trying to pass people.
Sandy is "very, very pleased that [she] didn't screw up her run" - only one 5 minute mistake, and glad that she did well on her first ineternational orienteering experience. She's quite the chatterbox now, hyper as all get out.
More updates later!
It's beautiful! Sunny and on the cusp of warm. Great orienteering weather. Maybe I can get some pictures up soon.
Unfortunately, I am sitting in the tent right now because it's too bright outside to see my screen on the lowest brightness setting. :-)
Heli just posted an incredible time on the last leg.
Sandy A is in, and they've moved up another 18 places! I'm in awe. Dasha has passed the first split point.
Hi again!
Sandy A is in and is also a chatterbox. Something about elephant trails. She also says, "it was great!" and "it was fast!" Also something about a small grudge match which she enjoyed.
Dasha went out in the mass start and we have high hopes that she'll gain us even more places!
In Jukola news, Karl fell yesterday while out on one of the model maps and busted his knee open. He fell again this afternoon and has reopened the wound and won't be able to run. Bubo has selflessly volunteered to run the 4th leg instead.
How long to the men's start?
OH, NO! Poor Karl. I think he needs to stay out of that whole area. He got hurt in Greenland too!
Way to go, all of you! Sounds like the adrenaline is really pumping - as well it should.
The men's start should be 4PM our time, Eddie.
Three more hours! Waaaahh. I guess I should do something productive in the mean time.
We definately need a pic of Karl's knee!
Live updates from the tent! This is great! Better info the the video feeds which seem to just show shots of tents and the crowd. Very little actual O is shown. Or maybe I just keep tuning in at the wrong times.
BEAUTIFUL! Well done Team DVOA! Everyone of you moved up significantly and you beat all these women who have run in this terrain their whole lives. I have chills!
Yes, Dasha is in! Team DVOA Venla is happily sipping beer and eating sausage now while the men prepare.
No pictures of Karl's knee - it is wrapped up and will not be uncovered for fear of significant blood loss, rivaling only that which will be lost to the mosquitoes.
Here's some photographic evidence:
First, Team DVOA Venla before the start!
Team DVOA Venla chillaxin' after finishing!
Team DVOA Jukola ready to go!
Awesome job girls!!! Thanks for posting the pictures...
You looked like winners even before you started. :-)
Woohoo!! Vadim is rocking, picking up 115 places by the 7km mark to get into the top 500... Let's hope this upward movement keeps going all night....
Interesting interview with Tiltnes, talking about "jogging" the course. He said that the terrain was difficult.
Woohoo! Great job, ladies! I'm sitting on the floor at the San Francisco Airport, waiting for a plane home, watching Jukola. Gotta love it.
Lisa, fire up the YLE audio coverage in Swedish - lots of whispering in the forest. Unfortunately, when they take breaks from the commentary, the web coverage is just silent (instead of the cheesy pop music that must be going out of the radio waves).
Thanks! Wish I could turn off the Finnish audio for the Jukola sa'ndning and just see video, while listening to the Swedish. Right now I have the Swedish turned up loud, with FInnish in the background. I will be deaf and confused soon. :-) OK, got it so it's not too bad. Fun!
I'm almost glad my plane is delayed. (Almost.)
We're still here! The sun has set but it looks like late afternoon. Vadim is back (just after Wil Smith) and says, "It's tough!" He started in the middle of the mass start and got stuck behind the runners on the side, and somehow ended up alone at the very beginning of the course!
Sounds like lots of controls very close to each other. Lots of punching going on out there! (And a lot of confused people.)
It looks so cool to see the stream of runners coming in with headlamps bobbing up and down - very mysterious looking. But I would imagine running in such new and different terrain in the dark is no picnic.
Team Links:
DVOA
BAOC
FWOC
OK Linne 3 (BorisGr)
Any other teams we should be following?
(I set up the links so they open in a new tab or window, so you can leave them open and refresh them. If you didn't know about that.)
Swisscheese is running for
VeVe 1, and they are doing very well indeed!
Did they explain what the white blocked-out area was on the map with the GPS tracks?
that would be some area that's important for later legs, which they don't want people to see.
The Cheese is in the lead! All follow the cheese!
And the
Beer Bellies. Watch out for that anchor.
Nice one, eddie. I had no idea where to look for that one.
My streaming isn't working really well, but it's working well enough to be really fun to watch.
I really liked the video on Marc's 5.5km (?) control.
It looks like they were hiding 2 sets of 3 controls. That would give 9 possible forkings, right? I'd love to see the master map.
Hey Matt, the first 2007 RAAM riders are going through Troy tonight.
Cool. Is there a team we know going through? Last time it was a work night, and I got to bed sometime around 4am, if remember correctly.
I don't know any of the riders this year. The big names in the solos are back though. Jure Robic is leading, but there is another solo just 200 mi back.
What happened with Team DVOA? I woke up about 3:45 AM and checked the results and Clem was nearing the end. He finished before 4AM which would be under 12 hours but the total time said 12:38. At the time he finished, DVOA was listed at 400 and then kept dropping as - I assume - other teams finished. This morning, the final results say 12:38 and they finished in 533rd place which is excellent, but I'm very confused....
Maryann, there may have been a "follow up" mass start involved, meaning that one of DVOA's runners went out before the previous runner finished. This is done to let the organizers go home before Monday or Tuesday, waiting for all the teams to finish. In the women's race, I believe Dasha went out on the last leg with a mass start.
Thanks, Eric. I was wondering if I dreamed the whole thing! :-)
Eric, Maryann, this is exactly what happened. They closed the exchange area about 30 min before the planned second mass start at 8:45pm. At that point Tom would have been out for less than 1 hour. So, Clem started with the majority of the slower 7 leg runners, a bunch of 6 leg runners, as well as 5th and even 4th leg runners. It was quite a mob.
I am sure there will be much more to follow in individual logs, but overall, this was a great first Jukola relay.
Most notably, Vadim had an excellent first leg. His performance stood out from the rest, and positioned us for a good overall performance. His run was excellent, there is not much more to be said.
Chris and Greg Balter had solid Night-O performances. Greg´s leg involved only about 30 min of darkness, as the nights here are very short. Leif (Bubo) had a heroic run, having volunteered for the race just a few hours before at a critical moment when Karl was trying to stop his knee from profuse bleeding, having torn an artery on his training run a day before. Greg Ahlswede had a solid run, catching up a whole lot of places after a tricky beginning. Tom orienteered well in a complicated terrain, rebounding quickly after a rough first control. Clem had a great run, picking up quite a few places.
Thanks for all of the support back at home!
An artery!?! Oh no! I'm glad he's OK and that Leif was there and willing to step in. It was very exciting to watch both relays and I even managed to catch some part of each of the men's legs. It was wonderful that everyone of the runners had a good leg - not easy in a relay. I did notice how quickly it got light again, and even though it looked dark on the camera at the lanes where you run in, you could see still see light in the sky in other shots.
We (BAOC) beat them (DVOA)! Yeah! :)
What happened to the Linne women? They were in the lead at one point then they disappeared. Did they mispunch?
The Linne Venlas mispunched the second last control in the leg #3 in the leading position. Asikkala and Linne had both problems with that control and Linne mispunched, Asikkala used slightly more time but with the right control.
Well, I guess the only thing 'heroic' about my run was actually stepping in and helping the team to finish. I was prepared to go out on the training map for a short jog anyway to get the feel of the terrain - so what´s the difference between a 20 minute jog and 100 minutes of orienteering ;)
Having been in the area before (at Jukola in 1979) certainly didn´t help. I had a terrible run - probably making about 30 minutes of errors - and losing a lot of places :(
It was really nice to meet the DVOA gang and I hope we´ll meet again - maybe at next year´s Jukola?
We (BAOC) beat them (DVOA)! Yeah! :)
Congratulations, you guys did well. But your team wasn't pure BAOC team from beginning.
We did have a 100% BAOC team at one point, but the workings of the United States government make things exceedingly difficult sometimes.
BAOC produced a fine performance. It is unfortunate that the original team was unable to compete as intended.
It is very difficult to cobble together a team on the fly when misfortune strikes. How many club members were you left with on the team?
4 of 7 runners on the final team were true BAOCers but, as Vladimir pointed out, the original plan was of course to field a 100% BAOC team. Perhaps next year we'll succeed...
BAOC, by the way, was mentioned by the organizers for being the team having travelled the longest distance to the event. From the organizers' website:
"There are teams from 21 countries (19), the farthest from the west-coast of the United States."
Tampere 2008! I'd be stoked to go...
An interesting set-up of all the Jukola courses with forkings for all the legs - linked from the Jukola GPS site - can be found
here.
The BAOC team managed to avoid the second mass start by 8 minutes. After having problems with the first three controls, I caught a good train and had a pretty good run until just before the second radio control. The entire train had some problems with #12, but a bigger issue for me was running back towards #11 for about 90 seconds before realizing the error.
But that was the end of the decent performance. I made a pretty big mistake on #14 together with a few from the train I had originally been in. (Some of them had messed up #12 even more than I did.) Then on my way to #15, my right lower calf started knotting up, presumably from poor circulation. I had decided to run with a brace to prevent further aggravation of an ankle that I originally twisted at the Billygoat, and that I kept re-twisting every time I ran in the terrain ever since.
The knotted calf made it extremely painful to run in the terrain, and the pain made it hard to navigate properly. I was also getting pretty dehydrated from limping around in the heat not finding my controls. I managed to run pretty well on trails as long as I could plant my heel, which explains some better splits such as #25 - #27.
I was unhappy to not be able to follow through on the nice starting position prepared by my teammates, but I guess there are a couple of things that should be learned:
1) Don't try something completely new for a long race. I had tried running with another brace for 30 minutes, but not this particular one, and not for 2 hours.
2) Don't sign up for the longest leg if not completely injury-free. I had the option of running the first leg instead, and I should probably have accepted that responsibility, as well as the opportunity to do some twilight orienteering.
An english-language
Jukola Article from the newspaper (?) Helsingin Sanomat showed up in my Google News Alert for "Orienteering" this morning.
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