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Discussion: Long Final Starts Soon!!

in: Orienteering; General

Aug 12, 2005 12:00 AM # 
jeffw:
Is it going to be a sweep for Sime? Will Swisscheese help witht he cleaning? Is this Jani's year?
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Aug 12, 2005 12:20 AM # 
cedarcreek:
The Link
Aug 12, 2005 12:33 AM # 
Spike:
I'll throw out a few picks (not that I've put any thought into it, but while we're waiting for split times to come up, we may as well start posting). Women: Simone, Jukkola and Engstand. Men: Wingstedt, Gueorgiou and Hott Johansen.
Aug 12, 2005 12:38 AM # 
mindsweeper:
I wonder why they keep putting the radio controls so late in the races.
Aug 12, 2005 12:58 AM # 
mindsweeper:
Wow, Olga has 5 minutes on #2. I guess the radio control isn't that late into the race after all.
Aug 12, 2005 1:02 AM # 
khall:
With those hills, the slowest women are going to be a significant amount behind the winners (in the 90s instead of the 70s very probably) ... important to keep in mind when guessing how far into the course the first split is ...
Aug 12, 2005 1:07 AM # 
mindsweeper:
Troy seems to be doing well!
Aug 12, 2005 1:13 AM # 
Spike:
I think this link shows the old map of the race terrain:


http://www.matstroeng.nu/vm2005/maps/long_final.jp...

I wonder about the weather conditions.

Aug 12, 2005 1:28 AM # 
Spike:
I was just poking around the Wingstedt, Dalin, Jonasson blog and found an interesting note about today's race. The Swedish team leader asked the organizers if they thought the winners would run the expected winning times. Shin Murakoshi (the legendary Japanese orienteer and one of the organizers) said that if someone does, he'll treat them to two beers.
Aug 12, 2005 1:29 AM # 
eddie:
I'll pick: Simone, MInna, and Vroni, with Annabel in a close 4th

For the men: Jani, Jamie, and Swisscheese. Holger will be in the top 8.
Aug 12, 2005 1:31 AM # 
eddie:
Monkey-boy is certainly off to a good start.
Aug 12, 2005 1:32 AM # 
Tapio:
It's not easy; Karolina A-Höjsgaard is already 10 min behind.
Aug 12, 2005 1:37 AM # 
khall:
Go Sarah Rollins!! Then again, it is hard to know what is happening as her split changed while we watched ...
Aug 12, 2005 1:39 AM # 
khall:
Okay, the first women have been out for nearly 100 minutes now, and they still aren't at the second intermediate. Perhaps they are the ones that the course setter should be buying beer for!!!!!
Aug 12, 2005 1:41 AM # 
Spike:
Troy De Haas = DISQ. I wonder what happened.
Aug 12, 2005 1:42 AM # 
mindsweeper:
Kristin was right - these courses are really splitting up the field!
Aug 12, 2005 1:42 AM # 
eddie:
Second int is probably very close to the end like in the other races.
Aug 12, 2005 1:43 AM # 
eddie:
AAAgghhh! Monkey attack!! They shouldn't have used banana-colored EMIT bricks.
Aug 12, 2005 1:44 AM # 
mindsweeper:
Troy, quit the monkey business alright! :(
Aug 12, 2005 1:45 AM # 
khall:
They are clearly missing some folks at the radio controls (assuming that Ondrej hasn't done a Rosie Ruiz).
Aug 12, 2005 1:47 AM # 
Spike:
Current weather in Toyota City - 84 and fog (humidity is 71%). That sounds uncomfortable, but not killer.
Aug 12, 2005 1:48 AM # 
mindsweeper:
Hm... I wonder how dense the fog is. I think I will have to buy O-Boka again - should be some interesting articles.
Aug 12, 2005 1:48 AM # 
eddie:
Annabel's first split is holding up pretty well. 5s ahead of Jenny!
Aug 12, 2005 1:49 AM # 
jeffw:
Too bad for Troy. Looked like it had a pretty good run going.
Aug 12, 2005 1:50 AM # 
Spike:
Paula Haapakoski?
Aug 12, 2005 1:51 AM # 
eddie:
Current weather in Baltimore one hour after sunset - 82, with 84% humidity. No fog, but I just got back from a run and its definately killer. Ugh
Aug 12, 2005 1:51 AM # 
khall:
You don't make the Finnish team unless you are good.
Aug 12, 2005 1:52 AM # 
khall:
Look at Simone fly!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aug 12, 2005 1:53 AM # 
eddie:
Okay, we have a finisher! 12 mins is the time from 2nd int to finish for the women.
Aug 12, 2005 1:54 AM # 
Spike:
And Jukkola is hanging on...
Aug 12, 2005 1:54 AM # 
khall:
Niggli and Jukkola look like they might be running together.
Aug 12, 2005 1:55 AM # 
eddie:
Geez. She's already 7% ahead of the field at the first split!
Aug 12, 2005 1:57 AM # 
Spike:
I picked Jukkola to take the silver in large part because of her start time (of course, she's a very, very good orienteer).
Aug 12, 2005 1:58 AM # 
eddie:
I just think its cool that she's named after a big relay.
Aug 12, 2005 1:58 AM # 
Spike:
Looks like Novikova is also part of the Simone train.
Aug 12, 2005 1:59 AM # 
Spike:
I wonder if the course has any butterflies to try to break up trains.
Aug 12, 2005 2:01 AM # 
eddie:
Is anyone getting men's reults after the first int? Ondrej isn't even in the 1st int list.
Aug 12, 2005 2:01 AM # 
Tapio:
It's Heli Jukkola vs. Jukola (the big relay). Close, but not the same.
Aug 12, 2005 2:02 AM # 
eddie:
Ahh, there he is. 17 mins from 2nd int to finish
Aug 12, 2005 2:02 AM # 
Tapio:
So, it's Switzerland, Finland, Finland, Switzerland at the 1st split.
Aug 12, 2005 2:12 AM # 
eddie:
Troy must have surrendered partway through. Injury maybe?
Aug 12, 2005 2:15 AM # 
mindsweeper:
There seem to be a lot of monkeys out today.
Aug 12, 2005 2:17 AM # 
mindsweeper:
Anna Mårsell must have made a mistake at the very end.
Aug 12, 2005 2:18 AM # 
eddie:
Annabel was 15 mins on the last split. 10th now, but I'm sure she'll move up to 4th as more finishers come in :)
Aug 12, 2005 2:21 AM # 
eddie:
LETS go JA-mie!!
LETS go JA-mie!!
Aug 12, 2005 2:22 AM # 
eddie:
Mmmmmm, SWISSCHEESE!!!!
Aug 12, 2005 2:24 AM # 
eddie:
Geez. 3 DQs for the men now? Ondrej had a time posted for a while. Will everyone be DQ'ed?
Aug 12, 2005 2:27 AM # 
j-man:
Not Tero.
Aug 12, 2005 2:28 AM # 
Tapio:
Lakanen 12th but only a minute behind the 4th place Haldin.
Aug 12, 2005 2:28 AM # 
khall:
The top two women are still together ... nice to have a train out there ...
Aug 12, 2005 2:29 AM # 
khall:
I would enjoy seeing the men's medals go to Russia, Britain, and France. That would be a nice change!
Aug 12, 2005 2:30 AM # 
khall:
Jukkola and Niggli have pulled an extra 5 minutes up on 3rd (or maybe she made a mistake). Wonder what is happening out there ....
Aug 12, 2005 2:32 AM # 
eddie:
Heli will have to do something soon. Can 2 mins in back of Sime possibly be in the medals?
Aug 12, 2005 2:33 AM # 
eddie:
Minna!!!!! ROCK!
Aug 12, 2005 2:34 AM # 
Tapio:
Minna Kauppi is in the lead at the Finish, but I don't see her time at Int.2?
Aug 12, 2005 2:35 AM # 
Tapio:
Minna DISQ!!!
Aug 12, 2005 2:37 AM # 
eddie:
Nooooooo!
Aug 12, 2005 2:38 AM # 
cedarcreek:
I was gettting ready to ask why Minna Kauppi didn't have a 2nd Intermediate split, and then her name moved to DISQ.
Did she go directly to the finish, or did she miss the punch at Int 2?
Aug 12, 2005 2:39 AM # 
j-man:
At least Sime was in sight of the winning time...
Aug 12, 2005 2:39 AM # 
eddie:
Doesn't kauppi mean "store" or "purchase" or something like that?
Aug 12, 2005 2:40 AM # 
mindsweeper:
Awww... Simone is 1:23 behind the estimated winning time.
Aug 12, 2005 2:41 AM # 
khall:
Has Australia been in the top 6 before? Way to go Hanny!
Aug 12, 2005 2:41 AM # 
PG:
Will be 6th place (or better) for Australia.
Aug 12, 2005 2:42 AM # 
Tapio:
Minna Kauppi vs. kauppa ("store"). Close, but not the same ;-)
Aug 12, 2005 2:43 AM # 
eddie:
Doh! :) My Finnish is *really* rusty.
Aug 12, 2005 2:46 AM # 
Tapio:
Vroni has 4 mins. to take the Bronze.
Aug 12, 2005 2:46 AM # 
mindsweeper:
Nicely done on the last portion by Holger.
Aug 12, 2005 2:46 AM # 
PG:
Looks like Jukkola gets a silver in the individual and a gold in the pairs....
Aug 12, 2005 2:47 AM # 
eddie:
Vroni!!!!!! Too bad about MInna - I could have had a straight flush.
Aug 12, 2005 2:47 AM # 
Tapio:
Switzerland, Finland, Switzerland. Hyvä Suomi!
Aug 12, 2005 2:48 AM # 
j-man:
Poor Australian men...
Aug 12, 2005 2:50 AM # 
eddie:
Where is Swisscheese at the int2?
Aug 12, 2005 2:51 AM # 
eddie:
Ahh, nevermind. Its too early still.
Aug 12, 2005 2:52 AM # 
mindsweeper:
Maybe there was a rule that they didn't know about, like you can't skip a control at WOC.
Aug 12, 2005 2:52 AM # 
eddie:
Thats really strange about AUS. Just like the French in the Middle.
Aug 12, 2005 2:52 AM # 
Swampfox:
My fingers are crossed for Vagnis (Mattias Karlsson)!
Aug 12, 2005 2:57 AM # 
eddie:
Did David Schneider run last year in Sweden? I don't remember his name. he seems to be doing just fine here.
Aug 12, 2005 2:59 AM # 
mindsweeper:
This is looking pretty good for Holger so far. Heia Norge!
Aug 12, 2005 2:59 AM # 
khall:
What happened to Jamie? Oh dear.
Aug 12, 2005 3:01 AM # 
Tapio:
Jamie Stevenson: from 3rd to 20th.
Aug 12, 2005 3:01 AM # 
eddie:
Yep. Ouch.
Aug 12, 2005 3:03 AM # 
eddie:
SWISSCHEESE!!! GO GO GO!!!
Aug 12, 2005 3:04 AM # 
j-man:
Anyone think the men will do within 5 minutes of predicted WT?
Aug 12, 2005 3:04 AM # 
khall:
Switzerland and Russia running together still - and fast!
Aug 12, 2005 3:04 AM # 
eddie:
LETS go SWISS cheese!! (clap clap, clap-clap-clap)

LETS go SWISS cheese!! (clap clap, clap-clap-clap)

WOOOHOOOOO!!
Aug 12, 2005 3:04 AM # 
mindsweeper:
Aha! The Khramov train!
Aug 12, 2005 3:05 AM # 
j-man:
I'm telling you - JAPAN = Switzerland of the East
Aug 12, 2005 3:08 AM # 
Stanislav:
Looks like first gold for Russia. Go Andrei!
Aug 12, 2005 3:08 AM # 
jfredrickson:
Wow, Hanny Allston placed 6th. She is 20, and just came off a Bronze Medal at this years JWOC. Not bad for a Junior at WOC.
Aug 12, 2005 3:11 AM # 
jfredrickson:
If Marc takes out the Russian he can win. Aim for the knees!
Aug 12, 2005 3:13 AM # 
eddie:
Would anyone have believed this guy could win the Long?
(click for larger image)

I took something like 500 pics at WOC last year. James had the camera for 2 whole hours and got this snapshot, which is one of my favorite of the whole bunch. Figures.
Aug 12, 2005 3:14 AM # 
Spike:
What is it about 3 minutes until Khramov and Marc L. reach the finish?
Aug 12, 2005 3:15 AM # 
jfredrickson:
It's Russian Gold. Where is Marc?
Aug 12, 2005 3:15 AM # 
eddie:
He's in 2!!!!!
Aug 12, 2005 3:15 AM # 
Spike:
No, guess it is less than that.
Aug 12, 2005 3:16 AM # 
Tapio:
Jani Lakanen 19th; no Gold for Finland today :-(
Emil Wingstedt 33rd; no Gold for Sweden either.
Aug 12, 2005 3:16 AM # 
jfredrickson:
There he is. Silver Medal for Lauenstein. The first medal for an Attackpoint member at a World Championship event! We are in a prestigious crowd now guys :D I say we all buy him a beer. Not Japanese though.
Aug 12, 2005 3:16 AM # 
eddie:
UNREAL! Marc AND Holger in the medals!!!
Aug 12, 2005 3:16 AM # 
Swampfox:
I wonder who Andrey Khramov even is.....wait! He must be the damn monkey!!!
Aug 12, 2005 3:17 AM # 
piutepro:
Congratulations Marc! Great race, great day!
Aug 12, 2005 3:17 AM # 
khall:
Obviously there is a real benefit to being married (or almost married) to a North American woman!
Aug 12, 2005 3:17 AM # 
mindsweeper:
Wicked awesome!
Aug 12, 2005 3:20 AM # 
cedarcreek:
If I was a smoker, I'd smoke one right now. Whew!
Aug 12, 2005 3:20 AM # 
eddie:
Spike wins the call, with 3 correct picks all in the right places.
Aug 12, 2005 3:20 AM # 
Swampfox:
The results will be very different in Denmark next year. I'm pretty sure there are no monkees there, and there might not be any boy bands of any type there at all, for that matter.
Aug 12, 2005 3:21 AM # 
jfredrickson:
Second in the world! Maybe we should think about an Attackpoint sponsorship. We could all pitch in to make it happen. Talk about serious exposure!



We should write something into the contract about never making that face while wearing our logo though.
Aug 12, 2005 3:23 AM # 
mindsweeper:
Wow, look at Michele Tavernaro - very strong last half, only a minute slower than Andrey and Marc.
Aug 12, 2005 3:25 AM # 
eddie:
We should all go over and fill up his training log with comments and sneid remarks!
Aug 12, 2005 3:27 AM # 
jfredrickson:
I'm in.
Aug 12, 2005 3:28 AM # 
jfredrickson:
Ahh... How do you add a comment if he hasn't posted anything in his log?
Aug 12, 2005 3:29 AM # 
eddie:
I dunno.
Aug 12, 2005 3:35 AM # 
jfredrickson:
Fall back to email I guess. I told him about this discussion. Maybe he will honor us with some details of his run.
Aug 12, 2005 3:36 AM # 
cedarcreek:
Can you click on Jul 31, and then one of the C's?
Aug 12, 2005 3:41 AM # 
eddie:
Man, he gave me one of his old O-tops. I'll never wash it again :)
Aug 12, 2005 4:15 AM # 
DarthBalter:
Hey, Boris, you happened to know personally all 3 top man, what a coincidence, and, congratulations to Marc!
Aug 12, 2005 4:21 AM # 
PG:
Map of women's course.
Aug 12, 2005 4:24 AM # 
DarthBalter:
Khramov, Marc, Taverano and at the end Mazulis what a train - that is the best way to win tough course
Aug 12, 2005 4:27 AM # 
PG:
And the men's.
Aug 12, 2005 4:47 AM # 
mindsweeper:
That was quickly scanned, but they could have taken the time to remove the map case first.
Aug 12, 2005 6:04 AM # 
BorisGr:
What an awesome race to watch, especially on the men's side!! It also seems like you guys have been following everything rather closely. How many of you have lost your jobs over the last couple of days? :)
It was phenomenal to see Khramov run in, a giant Russian flag already in hand, followed by Marc in the finish chute. And since I've slept on Holger's floor, have had Marc sleep on mine, and have drunk vodka with Andrey in Hungary and Switzerland, i feel very special today. :)
And now, time to get ready for the relay... I think the Spanish are running a girl as the anchor of their men's team. Let's see if we can take them. :)
Aug 12, 2005 8:54 AM # 
cii00me9:
If anyone wonders who Andrey Khramov is, I made an interview with him half a year ago. You can find it here:
http://www.alternativet.nu/eng/
Look under news on the left side of the page "i steget: Khramov is aiming for more medals"
He promised then to become world champion, and not only once!
Aug 12, 2005 1:37 PM # 
kwilliams:
Congrats to Marc and Holger! Way to go! Very exciting.
Aug 12, 2005 2:09 PM # 
jjcote:
This also makes Cheesydude the only person ever to get both a WOC medal and a Billygoat T-shirt, right?
Aug 12, 2005 2:17 PM # 
bshields:
Katarina Smith?
Aug 12, 2005 2:27 PM # 
mindsweeper:
JJ: Yet another column to add to your spreadsheet of statistics.
Aug 12, 2005 2:58 PM # 
eddie:
Yep, at least two people already in that column. We definately need photos of both wearing the T-shirt with the medals on top! I asked Kata to bring her medal to a big meet sometime...I'd really like to see it. Same goes for Marc.

Oh and Boris, to answer your question I am dangerously close :) But fortunately the races are "after hours" over here, whatever that means (ugh). Next to actually being there in person this has been the next best thing - lots of fun! Watch out for Annabel...she's awful fast.
Aug 12, 2005 3:11 PM # 
piutepro:
There a nice pix of Marc, Simone and Vroni in the Swiss newspaper here.

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/dyn/news/diverse/52859...
Aug 13, 2005 1:46 AM # 
Wyatt:
Don't let Sandra see that one :)
Aug 13, 2005 5:11 PM # 
ken:
who can resist a piece of the swiss cheese? ;-)

also, they've posted slightly more legible versions of many of the maps on the woc page
Aug 13, 2005 5:22 PM # 
jfredrickson:
Holy crap! Those are 2.5m contours right?

This discussion thread is closed.