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Discussion: Results and Routegadget posted

in: DVOA Governor Dick (Mar 23, 2014 - Manheim, PA, US)

Mar 24, 2014 2:46 AM # 
Preliminary results, some fiddling is necessary, Routegadget is ready, with a BRAND NEW version from Jarkko! Thanks Jarkko. Let me know (as usual) if you notice anything wonky:

Governor Dick Routegadget
Mar 24, 2014 7:07 AM # 
Everything is very very new and there hasn't been much testing really, and DVOA is pretty much the first club actually using it (season hasn't started here yet). So let us know if you find out something (I even read DVOA's eboard time to time just to check if there is any findings there).
Mar 24, 2014 12:01 PM # 
I can't upload my GPS track :( Maybe it's because I started my watch 3 min into the run?

Thanks for keeping us updated with the newest RG in DVOA land!
Mar 24, 2014 3:50 PM # 
Hey Hugh...

Can you (easily) upload course lengths directly from same RG file (xml)? I like seeing paces on specific legs.

Edit leg lengths-->"IOF XML CourseData (v2.0,3.0)". I used my gps route but it appears to be off (8.4 km)

Or maybe this is something the results uploader could do also.

Mar 24, 2014 4:05 PM # 
Hi Erik: Upload course lengths to where? Condes says 8.86km.

Anniemac: I just uploaded yours from your AP gpx file (in the map view for the event) without a problem ... I needed to slide the Offset slider around a bit to get what I think is the right stuff, but it might not be, too. ;) Let me know if you want me to delete it and you can try again.
Mar 24, 2014 4:08 PM # 
Thanks! All good.
Mar 24, 2014 5:04 PM # 
If you go to the splits on the course in Attackpoint there is a link to "Edit leg lengths"
Mar 24, 2014 6:16 PM # 
Erik, length is coming from Condes file into OE2010 and then into AP.
Mar 24, 2014 8:00 PM # 
That's interesting ... Condes says 8860m for Blue.
Mar 24, 2014 10:53 PM # 

I imported the splits lengths from my gps (which is off by 400 meters)....
The .xml file should get us the true lengths.

Import from file

Accepted types:
OCAD course export (File -> Export Courses...)
IOF XML CourseData (v2.0, 3.0)

I chose this option in the above link..

"You have a GPS track that can be used to calculate the straight-line distances between controls.
use track "
Mar 24, 2014 11:02 PM # 
Jagge, is there a way to edit the uploaded GPS tracks in this new version? In the old version there was the option to add blue points and drag them around. Cannot find such an option anymore.
Mar 25, 2014 12:50 AM # 
Hey Julie: you shouldn't need to drag anything around, as the map is georeferenced (FWIW). Your track looks really good to me ... is something off? You can also use the "offset" slider to move things around a bit if you started your watch early/late, etc.

All that said, there are a bunch of "blue points" you should be able to "drag around" if you like, and you should be able to add more with a right-click. Are you not seeing them? I can delete your route if you would like to check it out again.

Vadim is saying that's what he did: he used the XML for the upload, so the lengths should be correct. Are you saying that they got messed up because of something you did and that we should correct it? They do look a bit off to me ...
Mar 25, 2014 12:58 AM # 
I'm not talking about in this particular instance, but just in general. In past I have found sometimes the tracks look perfect and other times they are really off. When they are really off it bothers me. I'll try right-clicking next time. There used to be a box you checked and then did a normal left-click to add the blue dots.
Mar 25, 2014 2:48 AM # 
Ahh, gotcha. You can 'test' functionality by just doing another upload of your GPS track, but not saving. Test it out! Let me know if you notice anything interesting, as this is a NEW VERSION as of yesterday.
Mar 25, 2014 3:04 AM # 
Tom O:
What's up with the color selection for people's routes? The default color choices are hard to see. I liked the old ones much better - they were brighter colors and contrasted more with the course overprint and map colors.
Mar 25, 2014 4:34 AM # 
Hi Tom! Express your opinion to Jarkko, I already did myself. The colors are too similar to regular map colors. If I were a better programmer I would figure it out myself, but it's some weird HTML 5 stuff that I don't know yet. ;)
Mar 25, 2014 5:40 AM # 
Right, current color codes are not good, those will be replaced when I figure out better ones. It's not that easy to find 20+ color codes. Old version wasn't that good either, after first about ten all the rest were just gray.

Routes stand out better if you click the "dim" checkbox, it should dim the background map behind tracks/animation. Even these current ones.

You can add/remove blue points by right-clicking route. But don't touch them until you are done with offset slider, because using the slider removes manually added editing points.

Showing leg lengths is not supported, not even pixel distances as the old version did.
Mar 25, 2014 7:26 AM # 
Thanks Jarkko!
Mar 25, 2014 11:05 AM # 
Here is a version with less pastel colors, and map dimming is initially on. Do you think something like this would do better?
Mar 25, 2014 1:27 PM # 
Nice Jarkko! Definitely more visible. A bit mono-chromatic (dark-grays) but I understand the challenge.

The H21 top 3 race was fun to watch on my iPhone (Touch Mode!) on the train to work this AM.
Mar 25, 2014 3:45 PM # 
Tom O:
Yes, that is better. Still not quite as distinct, easy to read as the old colors though.
Mar 25, 2014 4:54 PM # 
The difference is not the color, it is translucency. In the new version you can see paths cliffs etc through the route line. In the old version routes were opaque, so paths and line features one followed could not be seen if route was drawn dead on. Routes ending up being less distinct is the price for this improvement.
Mar 25, 2014 5:17 PM # 
Yes, and once you mouse over, you can see very clearly. This is definitely an improvement.
Mar 26, 2014 1:34 AM # 
I accidentally found that you can right click the route to add blue boxes and edit your route but I have not used the offset slider. That seems like a great feature. Can it be done to routes already entered or only to a route you are in the process of adding?
I ask because I was looking at a few older events and my legs were not showing control to control (most likely from an offset problem from me not starting the watch at the true start) just wondering if I could fix them... but definetely not worth having to reload.
l love using route gadget and the new version is great and getting better. If you want to see a few closely run legs chenk out me and Ron bortz last Sunday. The first 7 legs are within a few seconds. So fun!
Mar 26, 2014 2:07 AM # 
Len: can't edit routes, but absolutely I can delete them and you can reload. Just let me know event(s).

I LOVE the offset. Start watch a couple of minutes early, forget about it, and adjust on the upload! Superb.

I'll watch the Len vs. Ron head-to-head on the train tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestion!
Mar 27, 2014 2:29 AM # 
HM4 - I appreciate the offer but I don't want to make more work... at least at the moment.
Thanks for all the time and effort you put in to this.
Mar 27, 2014 5:33 PM # 
It's literally about 30 seconds. Taking me longer to type this note on my iphone. :) and it's my job!! :)
Mar 27, 2014 6:08 PM # 
All hail the King of DVOA RG! And, of course The Creator!
Mar 27, 2014 6:31 PM # 
Hah. I love the product (thanks Jarkko!!) and it's super that he's been updating it recently. Java finally went TOO FAR. :)

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